Yolanda de Clermont-en-Beauvaisis-Offemont

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GUY [II] de Nesle, son of JEAN de Nesle Seigneur d’Offémont [Clermont] & his [second] wife Marguerite dame de Mello (-killed in battle Mauron 14 Aug 1352). Seigneur de Mello. Maréchal de France. The Chronique des règnes de Jean II et de Charles V records that “messire Guy de Neelle mareschal de France” was defeated at Saintonge by the English in 1351 and captured with “monseigneur Guillaume son frere...”[268]. “Guy de Nesle Sgr d’Offémont et Thourotte” confirmed the donation of revenue “sur son péage de Thourotte” to Sainte-Croix made by “Jean de Nesle le fondateur son père” by charter dated 17 May 1352 (O.S.)[269]. The Chronique des règnes de Jean II et de Charles V records that “monseigneur Guy de Neelle seigneur d’Aufemont, lors mareschal de France” was killed in battle “en Bretaigne” 14 Aug 1352[270].

m firstly (23 May 1342) JEANNE de Bruyères, daughter of THOMAS Seigneur de Bruyères-le-Chastel & his wife Isabelle de Melun (-before 1351). Père Anselme names “Jeanne fille de Thomas seigneur de Bruyeres-le-Chastel mariée le 23 May 1342” as Guy’s first wife (no source citation)[271]. The primary source which confirms this information has not been identified. Her family origin is indicated by the arms of [her great-grandson] Hector de Flavy, in the [1455] Armorial Le Breton, which show Bruyères alongside Nesle in the second row (on his mother’s side)[272].

m secondly ([3 Aug 1351]) as her first husband, ISABELLE de Thouars, daughter of LOUIS Vicomte de Thouars & his first wife Jeanne Ctss de Dreux (-after 1387). A charter dated 1394 records a dispute between “Guillelmum de Haricuria militem dominum de Ferritate-Imbaudi ad causam Ysabellis de Thoarcio eius uxoris dominæ de Ambazia et de Gamachiis“ and “comitem Augi et Ysabellim de Melduno eius uxorem ad causam ipsius uxoris” concerning the succession of “Ludovicus quondam miles vicecomes de Thoarcio et Ioanna eius uxor comitissa Drocensis...“, noting that Isabelle had married “Guidone de Nigella milite quondam marescallo Franciæ” to whom her parents had granted “terram de Bridiers” on 3 Aug 1351[273]. She married secondly (before 1356) as his second wife, Ingelger [I] "le Grand" Seigneur d'Amboise et de Chevreuse. She married thirdly as his second wife, Guillaume d’Harcourt Seigneur de la Ferté-Imbault et de Montfort-le-Rotrou. “Ysabellis de Thouarcio domina de Ambasia“ noted obligations under her contract of marriage with “defunctum Guidonem de Nigella marescallum Franciæ”, listed “Ioannes de Thouarcio miles, Simon de Thouarcio domicellus, Petronilla ad præsens vicecomitissa Thouarcii [...defunctus Almaricus dominus de Credonio tunc ipsius Petronillæ maritus], Ysabellis de Thouarcio domina de Ambazia [...Guidonis de Nigella primi sui mariti...defuncto [uxor] Ingergerio domino de Ambazia]...et...Margareta de Thouarcio domina de Chemilliaco” as the other children of “Ioanna quondam vicecomitissa Thouarcii et comitissa Drocensis...[uxor] defuncto Ludovico quondam vicecomite Thouarcii”, by charter dated 1387[274]. A charter dated 1394 records a dispute between “Guillelmum de Haricuria militem dominum de Ferritate-Imbaudi ad causam Ysabellis de Thoarcio eius uxoris dominæ de Ambazia et de Gamachiis“ and “comitem Augi et Ysabellim de Melduno eius uxorem ad causam ipsius uxoris” concerning the succession of “Ludovicus quondam miles vicecomes de Thoarcio et Ioanna eius uxor comitissa Drocensis...“, noting that Isabelle had married “Guidone de Nigella milite quondam marescallo Franciæ” to whom her parents had granted “terram de Bridiers” on 3 Aug 1351[275].

Guy [II] & his first wife had [six] children: 1. JEAN [II] de Nesle ([1343/45?]-1 Nov 1388, bur Ourscamp). Seigneur d’Offémont et de Mello. A charter dated 16 Dec 1369 records an agreement between “Charles comte de Dommartin et Jeanne d’Amboise sa femme dame de Nesle en Vermandois et...dame Isabeau de Nesle veuve de feu messire Jean de Montmorency Sgr de Beausault, Breteuil et autres lieux, dame des dits lieux” and “messire Jean de Nesle Sgr d’Offémont fils de Mgr Guy de Nesle frère de la dite dame Isabeau” relating to payments given to “la dite dame Isabeau” by “feu messire Jean de Nesle aïeul du dit Jean de Nesle Sgr d’Offémont” under her marriage contract[276]. An epitaph at Ourscamp records the burial of “Jehan de Neelle segneur d’Offemont et de Mello filz de feu...Guy de Nelle jadis mareschal de France...” who died 1 Nov 1388 and of “Adde de Mailly jadis feme du dit feu...Jehan de Neele et d’Offémont” who died 1400[277]. m as her second husband, ADA de Mailly Dame d’Acheu, widow of AUBERT de Hangest Seigneur de Genlis, daughter of GILLES de Mailly Seigneur d’Acheu & his wife Péronne de Raineval (-after 23 Nov 1409). Père Anselme records her parentage and three marriages (no source citations)[278]. Her family origin is indicated by the arms of [her grandson] Hector de Flavy, shown in the [1455] Armorial Le Breton, which shows Mailly alongside Raineval in the third row (on his mother’s side)[279]. She married thirdly (before 1 Nov 1391) as his second wife, Guy [II] de Laval Seigneur d’Attichy et de Chantilly. An epitaph at Ourscamp records the burial of “Jehan de Neelle segneur d’Offemont et de Mello filz de feu...Guy de Nelle jadis mareschal de France...” who died 1 Nov 1388 and of “Adde de Mailly jadis feme du dit feu...Jehan de Neele et d’Offémont” who died 1400 [date incorrect][280]. A charter dated 23 Nov 1409 records an agreement between “Adde de Mailly dame d’Offemont vefve de feu monsgr Guy de Laval en son vivant seignr d’Atechy de Noytel et de la Malemaison” and “madame Jehanne de Neelle sa fille vefve de feu mss Guy de Laval en son vivant chevalier et sgr desdits lieux fils d’icelui monsgr Guy”[281]. Jean [II] & his wife had five children: a) GUY [III] de Nesle (-killed in battle Azincourt 25 Oct 1415). Père Anselme records his parentage, noting that he settled a dispute about the dower of his mother by charter dated 10 Nov 1391, and was killed at Azincourt (no source citations)[282]. Seigneur d’Offémont et de Mello. - see below. b) LOUIS de Nesle (-after 1421). Père Anselme records his parentage, adding that as “doyen de l’église de Beauvais en 1421, [il] eut de grands differens avec son chapitre, parce qu’il tenoit le parti du dauphin” (no source citations)[283]. c) BLANCHE de Nesle (-before 26 Nov 1433). Père Anselme records her parentage and three marriages, the first as shown below, the second with “Guy de Beaumont Seigneur de Brétigny” and the third with Hector de Chartres Seigneur d’Ons-en-Bray (no source citations), this possible third marriage being chronologically inconsistent with Blanche’s [first] marriage as discussed above[284]. A charter dated 25 Sep 1397 records that “Flavy (Raoul sgr de) et de Basentin comme mary de madame Blanche de Néelle” held “la moitié de la terre d’Acheu de l’abbaye de Corbie” and that “ladite dame devoit jouir après la vie de madame de Montagny et de madame Ade de Mailly dame d’Offemont”[285]. A charter dated 26 Nov 1433 records that “Flavy (noble homme Jean de)” inherited “la moitié de toute la terre et château d’Acheu tenue en fief de l’abbaye de Corbie” from “feue noble dame madame Blanche de Nesle dame de Flavy et en partie d’Acheu”[286]. Secondary sources available online show that Blanche had numerous children by her [first] husband. The identity of her Anselme-proposed second husband has not been confirmed, but the accuracy of Anselme’s suggestion must be doubtful the longer her [first] husband survived (the source which confirms his date of death has not been identified). Is it possible that Guy de Beaumont was in fact the first husband of [Blanche] de Nesle, wife of Hector de Chartres who is shown above? Checking this suggestion depends on finding a source which provides some chronological indications about the life of Guy de Beaumont. m (before 25 Sep 1397) RAOUL de Flavy Seigneur de Bazentin, son of PIERRE de Flavy & Marie de Montauban Dame de Bazentin. d) JEANNE de Nesle . Père Anselme records her parentage and four marriages, noting that she and her first husband sold revenue to her brother Guy de Nesle Seigneur d’Offémont by charter dated 5 Aug 1404 (no source citations)[287]. A charter dated 23 Nov 1409 records an agreement between “Adde de Mailly dame d’Offemont vefve de feu monsgr Guy de Laval en son vivant seignr d’Atechy de Noytel et de la Malemaison” and “madame Jehanne de Neelle sa fille vefve de feu mss Guy de Laval en son vivant chevalier et sgr desdits lieux fils d’icelui monsgr Guy”[288]. m firstly GUY [III] de Laval Seigneur d’Attichy, son of GUY [II] de Laval Seigneur d’Attichy, de la Malmaison et de Chantilly & his first wife Isabelle de Châtillon Dame d’Orly-en-Brie (-Sep 1409). m secondly MATHIEU d’Arly dit Sarracin Seigneur de Quesnoy sur Aresnes, son of ---. m thirdly JEAN de Donquerre, son of ---. m fourthly JEAN de Humières, son of ---. dit Patrouillart e) MARIE de Nesle (-after 1430). Père Anselme records her parentage and two marriages, noting that she was still living in 1430[289]. m firstly RENAUD de Trie Seigneur du Plessis, son of RENAUD de Trie “Patrouillart” Seigneur du Plessis & his wife Jeanne de Fosseux (-killed Hartfort 1406). m secondly JEAN Seigneur de Montravel, son of ---.

2. ROBERT de Nesle (-after 16 Aug 1388). Père Anselme records his parentage, noting sources dated 3 Jan 1355, 1 Jul 1356, 1379, 1380, 13 Oct 1386, 16 Aug 1388 in which he is named[290].

3. ISABELLE de Nesle (-after 16 Dec 1369). A charter dated 16 Dec 1369 records an agreement between “Charles comte de Dommartin et Jeanne d’Amboise sa femme dame de Nesle en Vermandois et...dame Isabeau de Nesle veuve de feu messire Jean de Montmorency Sgr de Beausault, Breteuil et autres lieux, dame des dits lieux” and “messire Jean de Nesle Sgr d’Offémont fils de Mgr Guy de Nesle frère de la dite dame Isabeau” relating to payments given to “la dite dame Isabeau” by “feu messire Jean de Nesle aïeul du dit Jean de Nesle Sgr d’Offémont” under her marriage contract[291]. m JEAN de Montmorency Seigneur de Beausault, son of --- (-before 16 Dec 1369).

4. MARIE de Nesle . Père Anselme records her parentage and marriage without citing any sources on which this information is based[292]. The absence of her descendants from sources describing the disputes regarding the Thouars inheritance (involving Guy de Nesle’s second wife Isabelle de Thouars) indicate that Marie must have been her father’s daughter by his first marriage. m RAOUL [VIII] le Flamenc Seigneur de Canny, son of RAOUL [VII] le Flamenc Seigneur de Canny & his [first/second wife Jeanne de Chartres/Yolande d’Enghien] (-after 31 Aug 1387).

5. [YOLANDE de Nesle . Père Anselme records her parentage and marriage (no source citations)[293]. The primary sources which confirm this information have not been identified. m as his second wife, COLART d’Estouteville Seigneur d’Aussebosc et de Lamerville, son of COLART d’Estouteville Seigneur d’Aussebosc & his wife Jeanne Dame de la Tournelle.]

6. [BLANCHE de Nesle ([before 1350?]-). Père Anselme records that “Blanche de Clermont dite de Nesle dame de Brétigny, fille de Jean de Clermont dit de Nesle seigneur de Mello et d’Offémont” married firstly Guy de Beaumont and secondly Hector de Chartres[294]. Her likely birth date is incompatible with this parentage, but she could have been Jean [II]’s sister. A document dated 1373 records that “Madame Blanche de Nesle femme jadis de feu messire Gui de Beaumont chevalier...dame de Ons-en-Bray tant en son nom comme ayant le bail de ses filles” held “son hôtel et lieu de Onz” from “[le] châtel de Clermont” and listed the properties[295]. Père Anselme confuses matters by recording, in another passage, that Blanche de Nesle, daughter of Jean [II], married firstly Raoul de Flavy, secondly Guy de Beaumont, and thirdly Hector de Chartres[296]. This suggestion is impossible chronologically: it is assumed that Jean’s daughter Blanche was a different person and that she married Raoul de Flavy as her only husband (see above). I am grateful to Philippe Couka for highlighting the difficulties relating to Blanche de Nesle and her husbands and discussing the question with me. It looks likely that Blanche transferred or sold Ons-en-Bray, held by her first husband’s family, to her second husband. m firstly as his third wife, GUY de Beaumont Seigneur d’Ons-en-Bray, de Clarois, et de Neufville, son of GUY de Beaumont Seigneur de Clichy et de Garenne & his second wife Isabelle de Marigny (-[1369/72]).] m secondly (after 1373) as his second wife, HECTOR de Chartres Seigneur d’Ons-en-Bray, son of JEAN de Chartres & his wife Marie de l’Etendart (-Paris 1418).]