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About Ralf de Venoix, Seigneur de Hastings
Not a known husband of Beatrix
From http://www.1066.co.nz/Mosaic%20DVD/library/people/venois.htm
DE VENOIS. From Venoix near Caen, Normandy. The barons of Venoix, Verbois or Venois held their fief as hereditary marshals of the stable (master of the horse) of the dukes of Normandy, hence they bore the name of le Marescal or Mareschal of Venois.
Milo le Mareschal and Lasceline his wife, were living in 1050, when the duchess Matilda purchased lands at Vancelles from them for Holy Trinity at Caen. They had issue:
Ralph le Mareschal and other sons, who came to England at the conquest.
Ralph was living in 1086 and had issue:
- Robert,
- Roger le Mareschal, who had lands in Essex,
- Gerald, owner of estates in Sussex, and
- Goisfred, a baron in Hampshire and Wiltshire in 1086 (Domesday). The latter was the father of Gilbert ancestor of the Mareschals.
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HASTINGS
A. ORIGINS
B. LORDS HASTINGS
https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISHNOBILITYMEDIEVAL3D-K.htm#_T...
The Hastings family has been studied in detail by Andrew Lancaster[1156]. Readers are referred to his research for more information about the family and further discussion about sources, particularly those cited in more recent articles which have not been consulted during the preparation of the present chapter.
A. ORIGINS
1. RALPH de Hastings (-after 1086). Domesday Book records “Ardleigh” in Essex held by “Roger de Rames”, in which manor “Ralph de Hastings holds 30 acres”[1157].
2. ROBERT FitzRalph de Hastings (-after 1086). “Appropriations of the King[%E2%80%98s land] in Essex” in Domesday Book includes “in Colchester...a certain church of St. Peter...of the king’s alms” of which “Robert fitzRalph of Hastings claims 3 parts and Eudo the steward holds the fourth”[1158]. It is not known whether Robert’s father was Ralph de Hastings who is named above.
From https://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/families/Hastings1.html
Eyton and Clark also link the first William de Hastings to the losing claim made before 1130 by a William de Hasting for the master marshallcy of England. William and Robert de Venoiz made failed claims against John the Marshall son of Gilbert, father of the famous William the Marshall. On this basis they apparently consider it better confirmed that he was probably already, like his grandson, a stewart of some kind to the King. Eyton believed this William to have passed away around 1130, which is approximately when his son Hugh married. (This particular connection has of course led to various speculations about possible relationships between the 3 claimants, but this was only a generation after 1066, so the claims need not represent an ancient line of descent.)
References
- https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Venoix-3 “Ralph "Rald, le Mareschal" de Venoix” (abt 1040 - 1086) m. Beatrice (Falaise) de Venoix — married 1050 in Caen, Normandy, France.
- https://www.multiwords.de/genealogy/hastings.html Hastings of Ashill, Hastings of Bergavenny, Hastings of Pembroke. “ Robert b c 1050, Portreve of Hastings ?Steward to King William I, son of Roger b c 1025, grand son of Seigneur Ralph de Venoix b c 1000, great grandson of Miles de Vernoix b c 970 and Lesceline, 2nd gr grandson of Ibert b c 940 possibly illegitimate son of or born earlier as battle hardened companion of Rollo. Granting the dignity of hereditary Mareschal de Normandie would have required great trust on the part of Rollo or his son, as could only come from such relationship or association.”
- https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISHNOBILITYMEDIEVAL3D-K.htm#_f...
- [1156] Lancaster Hastings families
- Lancaster, Andrew. “Hastings families of the 12th century: what is known and what is not.” (2014) < link >
- The Archaeological journal. (1844) “THE RISE AND RACE OF HASTINGS”. Page 124 < Archive.Org > Willelmus, filius Roberti, tenet feoda quatuor militum in Godmaiiestona in Doi-sett et in Bromlega iu Essex. £t super dominium ipsius Roberti in Eistoii in Essex j militis et super dominium ipsius Robei-ti in Bildeston in Sudfolcia j militis." [Lib. Nig. 1. 2411. Wikca, Bromley, and Bildeston, were derived from the Deacon, as were a fee in Swineland, aud two in Chesterford, also in this Hastings barony. Further, it is noteworthy that Leonard de Venoiz was a tenant in the same barony, and in the 1st of John, Robert de Venoiz and William de Hastings claimed the office of Magistratus MarescalcisB in the Court of Henry I. [Madox, Hist, of Eicheq. 1. 46].
Ralf de Venoix, Seigneur de Hastings's Timeline
1035 |
1035
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Bavent, Calvados, Normandy, France
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1054 |
1054
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Venoix near Caen, Calvados, Normandy, France
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1060 |
1060
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Salettes, Drome, Rhone-Alpes, France
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1086 |
1086
Age 51
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Bavent, Calvados, Normandy, France
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