John Grey, 2nd Baron Grey de Wilton, Vice-Justice of Chester, Lord Ordainer, Justice of North Wales, Governor of Carnarfon Castle, Conservator of the Peace-Bedfordshire

John Grey, 2nd Baron Grey de Wilton (died 28 October 1323) was the son of Reginald de Grey, 1st Baron Grey de Wilton and his wife Maud daughter and heir of William, Baron FitzHugh.

His first office was as vice-justice of Chester from 1296 to 1297.[1]

He participated in the siege and capture of Caerlaverock Castle in July 1300. During the siege the English heralds composed a roll of arms, the Roll of Caerlaverock, in the form of verses of poetry, each describing the feats of valour of each noble and knight present, with a blazon of his armorials. Grey's arms are recorded as BARREE silver at the Asur entaillie o bende red engreellie.[2]

He was summoned to Parliament from 1309 to 1322. His first parliamentary appointment was that of Lord Ordainer in 1310, and was followed by an appointment as Justice of North Wales in c.1316 and Governor of Caernarfon Castle.[3] He was relieved of his constabulatory responsibilities the following year and called to raise troops in response to the insurrection led by Llywelyn Bren.

He served as Conservator of the peace for Bedfordshire in 1320.

In 1322, he was commanded to raise troops in Wales and join the royal muster at Coventry. He died the following year.

Family

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/177676713/maud_de-grey

Before 2002 John's wife was generally thought to be Maud Bassett but Douglas Richardson found through his research into property transfer and dispute records, and marriage records of the time that Maud de Verdun, the daughter of Eleanor (de Bohun) Verdun was most certainly the wife of this John de Grey. Corrections were made to the Complete Peerage: Volume 6: Grey of Wilton, following the evidence submitted by Douglas Richardson in 2002 regarding facts he brought to light through his study of documentary evidence from over 700 years before. Isn't that an interesting genealogy story!

Traditionally - He married 1.Anne sister of William Ferrers, 1st Baron Ferrers of Groby, by whom he had a son Henry Grey, 3rd Baron Grey de Wilton. 2.Maud daughter of Ralph Bassett, Baron Bassett, by whom he had a son Roger, who was summoned to Parliament in 1324.

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Grey,_2nd_Baron_Grey_de_Wilton

But it is now shown he had one wife only.
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• John de Grey, 2nd Lord Grey (of Wilton)1
• M, #38161, b. circa 1268, d. 28 October 1323
• Last Edited=1 May 2011
• John de Grey, 2nd Lord Grey (of Wilton) was born circa 1268.2 He was the son of Sir Reynold de Grey, 1st Lord Grey (of Wilton) and Maud de Longchamp.3,4 He married, firstly, Anne de Ferrers, daughter of William de Ferrers and Joan le Despencer.5 He married, secondly, Matilda de Verdun, daughter of John de Verdun and Eleanor Bohun.6 He died on 28 October 1323.7
• He succeeded to the title of 2nd Lord Grey, of Wilton [E., 1295] on 8 January 1308/9.7 In 1311 he had granted Ruthin Castle to himself for life then to his younger son, Roger.2 He fought in the Battle of Bannockburn in 1314.2 He held the office of Justiciar of North Wales in February 1314/15.2 He held the office of Governor of Caernarvon Castle.7
• Children of John de Grey, 2nd Lord Grey (of Wilton) and Matilda de Verdun
  • 1.Sir Roger de Grey, 1st Lord Grey (of Ruthin)+4 d. 6 Mar 1352/53
  • 2.Joan de Grey+8 d. b 5 Apr 1353
  • 3.Henry de Grey, 3rd Lord Grey (of Wilton)+4 b. 28 Oct 1281, d. 10 Dec 1342
• Citations
• 1.[S6] G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H. White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14 (1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton Publishing, 2000), volume VI, page 173. Hereinafter cited as The Complete Peerage.
• 2.[S37] BP2003 volume 2, page 1665. See link for full details for this source. Hereinafter cited as. [S37]
• 3.[S1916] Tim Boyle, "re: Boyle Family," e-mail message to Darryl Roger Lundy, 16 September 2006. Hereinafter cited as "re: Boyle Family."
• 4.[S37] BP2003. [S37]
• 5.[S6] Cokayne, and others, The Complete Peerage, volume II, page 3.
• 6.[S6] Cokayne, and others, The Complete Peerage, volume VI, page 174.
• 7.[S21] L. G. Pine, The New Extinct Peerage 1884-1971: Containing Extinct, Abeyant, Dormant and Suspended Peerages With Genealogies and Arms (London, U.K.: Heraldry Today, 1972), page 136. Hereinafter cited as The New Extinct Peerage.
• 8.[S6] Cokayne, and others, The Complete Peerage, volume II, page 2.
• From: http://www.thepeerage.com/p3817.htm#i38161 ____________________
• John De GREY (2° B. Grey of Wilton)
• Born: 1258/60, Ruthyn, Denbigh
• Died: 28 Oct 1323
• Father: Reginald De GREY (1° B. Grey of Wilton)
• Mother: Maud FITZHUGH / Maud de LONGCHAMP
• Married 1: Anne De FERRERS (B. Grey of Wilton) ABT 1285, Groby, Leicestershire, England
• Children:
  • 1. Joan De GREY (B. Bassett)
  • 2. Henry De GREY (3° B. Grey of Wilton)
• Married 2: Maud BASSETT (B. Grey of Wilton) ABT 1289, Drayton, Staffordshire, England
• Children:
  • 3. Roger De GREY (1° B. Grey of Ruthin)
  • 4. Maud De GREY
  • 3. Henry De GREY (b. 1294 - d. ABT 1353)
• From: http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/GREY2.htm#John De GREY (2° B. Grey of Wilton) ____________________
• Roger Grey, 1st Baron Grey de Ruthyn (c. 1298 – 6 March 1353) was summoned to parliament in 1324. He saw much service as a soldier.
• He was the son of John Grey, 2nd Baron Grey de Wilton, by his second marriage, to Maud Bassett, a daughter of Ralph Bassett, 1st Baron Bassett. He married Elizabeth daughter of John Hastings, 1st Baron Hastings of Bergavenny, by whom he had a son who succeeded as Reginald Grey, 2nd Baron Grey de Ruthyn.
• From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Grey,_1st_Baron_Grey_de_Ruthyn _______________________
• >>As a followup to my earlier post yesterday, I should mention that there
• >> is another helpful charter issued by John de Grey, 2nd Lord Grey of
• >> Wilton, which is found in Dugdale's Monasticon Anglicanum, 6 Pt. 3
• >> (1830): 1345-1346. This charter is available for viewing online at
• >> www.monasticmatrix.com. The charter is dated 1310, and it concerns the
• >> foundation of the collegiate church at Ruthin, Denbighshire by John de
• >> Grey. As with the Thurleigh documents, the Ruthin charter names John
• >> de Grey's wife, Maud, and his parents, Reynold and Maud de Grey.
• >>
• >> The authoritative Complete Peerage, 6 (1926): 173-174 (sub Grey) has
• >> claimed on the basis of a flawed Grey visitation pedigree that John de
• >> Grey, 2nd Lord Grey of Wilton, married (1st) Anne de Ferrers, and (2nd)
• >> Maud Basset. Both wives appear to be fictitious. Rather, recent
• >> research indicates that John de Grey's wife was actually Maud de Verdun
• >> and that she was the mother of his two sons, Henry and Roger, and at
• >> least one of his daughters, Joan. Given that only one wife Maud is
• >> named in the 1310 charter and only one wife Maud is named in the 1320
• >> Thurleigh documents, I believe it is safe to assume that John de Grey
• >> had but one wife, Maud de Verdun.
• >>
• >> Further discussion of the identity and parentage of John de Grey's
• >> wife, Maud de Verdun, may be found in Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet
• >> Ancestry (2004), pg. 764, and in Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta
• >> Ancestry (2005), pp. 889-890.
• >>
• >> Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
• >>
• >> Website: www.royalancestry.net
• From: http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Soc/soc.genealogy.medieval/... _______________________

John of WILTON de GREY

2nd Baron of WILTON; Governor of Caernarvon

Born: abt. 1260 Died: 1323

U.S. President's 13-Great Grandfather. HRH Charles's 17-Great Grandfather. PM Churchill's 17-Great Grandfather. Lady Diana's 18-Great Grandfather. HRH Albert II's 20-Great Grandfather. Osawatomie' Brown's 16-Great Grandfather. Poss. my 20-Great Grandfather.

poss. Wives/Partners: Maude (Maud) BASSET ; Anne (Lady) FERRERS ; Maud de VERDUN ; Maud de VERDUN q.v.

Children: Roger (Rodger John) de GREY ; Henry de WILTON (de GREY) ; Iseult de GREY Possible Child: Joan (de) GREY

Alternative Father of Possible Child: (John : John's half-brother)

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John Grey, 2nd Baron Grey de Wilton

John Grey, 2nd Baron Grey de Wilton (died 28 October 1323) was the son of Reginald de Grey, 1st Baron Grey de Wilton and his wife Maud daughter and heir of William, Baron FitzHugh.
His first office was as vice-justice of Chester from 1296 to 1297.

He was summoned to Parliament from 1309 to 1322. His first parliamentary appointment was that of Lord Ordainer in 1310, and was followed by an appointment as Justice of North Wales in c.1316 and Governor of Caernarfon CastleHe was relieved of his constabulatory responsibilities the following year and called to raise troops in response to the insurrection led by Llywelyn Bren. He served as Conservator of the peace for Bedfordshire in 1320. In 1322, he was commanded to raise troops in Wales and join the royal muster at Coventry. He died the following year.

Marriages

• Anne sister of William Ferrers, 1st Baron Ferrers of Groby, by whom he had a son Henry Grey, 3rd Baron Grey de Wilton.
• Maud daughter of Ralph Bassett, Baron Bassett, by whom he had a son Roger, who was summoned to Parliament in 1324.

References

• The Thirty-First Annual Report of the Deputy Keeper of the Public Records, p. 202, (London, 1870). Printed by George E. Etek and William Spottiswoode, Printers to the Queen's most Excellent Majesty.
• Breese's Calendars of Gwynedd p. 125, (London, 1873). ___________________
• 'Grey02'
• Reginald de Grey, 1st Lord of Wilton (Herefordshire) (d 1308)
• BE1883 identifies Reginald's wife as Maud, dau of William, Lord FitzHugh by Hawys, dau of Hugh de Longchamp, but TCP identifies her as ...
• m. Maud de Longchamp (d before 21.11.1302, dau/heir of Sir Henry de Longchamp of Wilton)
  • 1. John de Grey, 2nd Lord of Wilton, Governor of Caernarvon (d 28.10.1323)
  • m1. Anne Ferrers (dau of William de Ferrers of Groby)
    • A. Henry de Grey, 3rd Lord of Wilton (b 28.10.1281-2, d 10/6.12.1342)
    • m. Anne Rockley (dau of Ralph de Rockley by Isabel, dau of William de Clare)
      • i. .... etc.
    • B. Joan de Grey (d 1353) apparently of this generation
    • m. Ralph Basset, Lord of Drayton (d 25.02.1343)
  • m2. Maud Basset (dau of Ralph Basset, Lord of Drayton)
    • C. Roger de Grey, 1st Lord of Ruthyn (d 06.03.1352-3)
    • m. Elizabeth Hastings (dau of John Hastings, Lord of Bergavenny)
      • i. .... etc.
  • 2. Joane de Grey
  • Joan is shown by BE1883 as wife of Ralph Basset, Lord of Drayton. We follow TCP in showing such a Joan as of a later generation.
• Main source(s): TCP (Grey of Wilton or of Shirland), BE1883 (Grey of Wilton), BP1934 (Grey de Ruthyn), TCP (Grey of Ruthin)
• From: Stirnet.com
• http://www.stirnet.com/genie/data/british/gg/grey02.php

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruthin Ruthin (/ˈrɪθɪn/ ⓘ RITH-in; Welsh: Rhuthun) is a market town and community in Denbighshire, Wales, in the south of the Vale of Clwyd

The Lord de Grey established a Collegiate Church in 1310. Now the Collegiate and Parish Church of St Peter, it dominates the Ruthin skyline. It has a double nave and boasts two medieval carved roofs. These days it is known for its musical tradition. It has a large choir of children and adults and a four-manual Wadsworth-Willis organ. Behind the church can be seen the old college buildings, school and Christ's Hospital.

Source: Jim Linwood from London - St Peter's Church, Ruthin - North Wales. < Wikipedia > CC BY 2.0

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• Links
• http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/FITZHUGH.htm#Maud FITZHUGH2
• http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/GREY2.htm#Reginald De GREY (1° B. Grey of Wilton)
• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reginald_de_Grey,_1st_Baron_Grey_de_Wi...
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• http://www.celtic-casimir.com/webtree/10/34144.htm
• http://gray-ons.org/html/de_gray.html
• http://www.theodora.com/encyclopedia/g2/grey_de_wilton.html
• http://www.penrose.org/getperson.php?personID=I14231&tree=penrose
• http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Soc/soc.genealogy.medieval/...
• Reference: Ancestry Genealogy - SmartCopy: Jun 1 2018, 1:46:08 UTC
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