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Herbert IV (VI) of Vermandois (1028 – 1080), Count of Vermandois (called Herbert IV in Wikipedia and Herbert VI in the FMG MedLands database), was the son of Eudes/Otto of Vermandois and Pavia (or Patia)

Family and children

He married Adele of Valois, daughter of Raoul III of Valois and Adele de Bar-sur-Aube, and had the following children:

* Adele of Vermandois, married to Hugh of Vermandois

• Eudes (Odo) "l'Insensé" (+ after 1085)

According to the FMG Medieval Lands database

HERIBERT [VI] ([1032]-[1080]).

• He succeeded his father in 1045 as Comte de Vermandois.
• He succeeded as Comte de Valois in 1077, by right of his wife.
• "Herbertus Vermandensium et Vadascorum comes" donated property to the church of Saint-Quentin and others, with the consent of "Alide coniugis meæ", by charter dated 1059 (date unlikely to be correct, considering that Héribert did not succeed as Comte de Valois until 1077)[1358].

m ([1059 or before]) ADELAIS de Valois, daughter of RAOUL [III] Comte de Valois, de Crépy et de Vitry & his first wife Aelis de Bar-sur-Aube (-after 1077).

• The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Symonem et filiam…Adala" children of "comitis Veromandie [error for Valois] Rodolfi" and his wife Adela[1359]. The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified.
• Ctss de Valois.
• "Herbertus Vermandensium et Vadascorum comes" donated property to the church of Saint-Quentin and others, with the consent of "Alide coniugis meæ", by charter dated 1059 (date unlikely to be correct, considering that Héribert did not succeed as Comte de Valois until 1077)[1360].

Comte Héribert [VI] & his wife had two children:

a) EUDES “l’Insensé” (-after 1085). The De Genere Comitum Flandrensium, Notæ Parisienses names "Odonem et Adelam sororem" as the two children of "comes Herbertus", specifying that Eudes was "fatuus et indiscretus" but that his brother-in-law gave him "filiam cuiusdam militis Viromandensis" as a wife[1361]. He was disinherited by his father. m HADWIG, daughter of ---. The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified.

[NOTE- SEIGNEURS de SAINT-SIMON. The descent of the family of Saint-Simon from Eudes "l'Insensé" de Vermandois was fabricated in the 17th century to flatter Claude Rouvroy de Saint-Simon, favourite of Louis XIII King of France[1362]. On the basis of this genealogy, the senior branch of the family of Rouvroy adopted the name "Saint-Simon de Vermandois".]

b) ADELAIS de Vermandois ([1065]-28 Sep [1120/24]).

• The De Genere Comitum Flandrensium, Notæ Parisienses names "Odonem et Adelam sororem" as the two children of "comes Herbertus", specifying that the husband of Adela was "Hugoni le Magne" and referring to her second husband "comes de Claromonte" and specifying that her daughter by the latter married Charles Count of Flanders[1363].
• The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "Adelidem comitissam Viromandensium, defuncto priore viro, scilicet Hugone Magno" as wife of "comes Rainaldus [de Claromonte]"[1364].
• She succeeded her father in [1080] as Ctss de Vermandois, de Valois et de Crépy.
• m firstly ([1080]) HUGUES de France, son of HENRI King of France & his second wife Anna Iaroslavna of Kiev (1057-Tarsus in Cilicia 18 Oct 1102, bur Tarsus church of St Paul). Comte de Vermandois et de Valois by right of his wife. Leader of the French contingent in the First Crusade Aug 1096 returning to France after the victory of Antioch 1098 to raise another army. He set out again Mar 1101 but died from wounds received fighting the Greeks at Tarsus in Cilicia.
• m secondly (1103) as his first wife, RENAUD de Clermont, son of HUGUES de Clermont [en-Beauvaisis] dit de Mouchy & his wife Marguerite de Roucy [Montdidier] (-before 1162). He took the title Comte after his marriage[1365].

Wikipedia on Herbert IV de Vermandois

Herbert IV of Vermandois (1028 – 1080), Count of Vermandois, was the son of Otto of Vermandois and Pavia (or Patia).

Family and children

He married Adele of Valois, daughter of Raoul III of Valois and Adele de Bar-sur-Aube, and had:

1. Adelaide, Countess of Vermandois, married to Hugh of Vermandois.
2. Odo, Count of Vermandois (+ after 1085), married to Hedwig. Later became Lord of Saint-Simon by marriage. The last Carolingian.

10. HERBERT (VI) DE VERMANDOIS, b. 1032, d. 1080, m. Adèle (Alix) de Crepy, b. 1032, d. 1118

Eudes de Vermandois, b. 1060

Alice (ou Adele) de Vermandois

Herbert was the son of Herbert I of Vermandois.[1] He was apparently well aware of his descent from Charlemagne.[2] Herbert inherited the domain of his father and in 907, added to it the Abbey of St. Medard, Soissons. He took the position of Lay abbot entitling him to the income of those estates.[1] His marriage with a daughter of king Robert I of France brought him the County of Meaux.[3]

In 922, when Seulf became Archbishop of Rheims, in an effort to appease Herbert II Seulf solemnly promised him he could nominate his successor.[4] In 923, Count Herbert took the bold step of imprisoning King Charles III, who died still a captive in 929.[a][3] Then, on the death of Seulf in 925, with the help of King Rudolph, he acquired for his second son Hugh (then five years old) the archbishopric of Rheims.[5] Herbert took the additional step of sending emissaries to Rome to Pope John X to gain his approval, which that pope gave in 926.[4] On his election young Hugh was sent to Auxerre to study.[2]

In 926, on the death of Count Roger of Laon, Herbert demanded this countship for Eudes, his eldest son.[6] He took the town in defiance of King Rudolph leading to a clash between the two in 927.[2] Using the threat of releasing King Charles III, who he held captive, Herbert managed to hold the city for four more years.[2] But after the death of Charles in 929, Rudolph again attacked Laon in 931 successfully defeating Herbert.[2] The same year the king entered Rheims and defeated archbishop Hugh, the son of Herbert.[7] Artaud became the new archbishop of Reims.[7] Herbert II then lost, in three years, Vitry, Laon, Château-Thierry, and Soissons.[8] The intervention of his ally, Henry the Fowler, allowed him to restore his domains (except Rheims and Laon) in exchange for his submission to King Rudolph.

Later Herbert allied with Hugh the Great and William Longsword, duke of Normandy against King Louis IV, who allocated the County of Laon to Roger II, the son of Roger I, in 941. Herbert and Hugh the Great took back Rheims and captured Artaud.[9] Hugh, the son of Herbert, was restored as archbishop.[9] Again the mediation of the German King Otto I in Visé, near Liège, in 942 allowed for the normalization of the situation.

Death and legacy[edit]

Herbert II died on 23 February 943 at Saint-Quentin, His vast estates and territories were divided among his sons.[10] Vermandois and Amiens went to the two elder sons while Robert and Herbert, the younger sons, were given the valuable holdings scattered throughout Champagne.[10] On Robert's death his brother's son Herbert III inherited them all. Herbert III's only son Stephen died childless in 1019–20 thus ending the male line of Herbert II.[10]

Family[edit]

Herbert married Adele, daughter of Robert I of France.[11] Together they had the following children: Eudes of Vermandois, Count of Amiens and of Vienne, (c. 910–946)[1] Adalbert I, Count of Vermandois (c. 915–987), married Gerberge of Lorraine[1] Adela of Vermandois (910–960), married 934 Count Arnulf I of Flanders[1] Herbert 'the Old' (c. 910–980), Count of Omois, Meaux and Troyes, and abbot of St. Medard, Soissons, married 951 Eadgifu of Wessex daughter of Edward the Elder King of England and widow of Charles III King of France.[b][1] Robert of Vermandois, Count of Meaux and Châlons († 967)[1] Luitgarde of Vermandois (c. 915-20–978), married 940 William I, Duke of Normandy;[1] married secondly, c. 943–44, Theobald I of Blois[c][12] Their son was Odo I, Count of Blois.[10] Hugh of Vermandois (920–962), Archbishop of Reims[1]

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Family and children

He married Adele of Valois, daughter of Raoul III of Valois and Adele de Bar-sur-Aube, and had the following children:

• Adele of Vermandois, married to Hugh of Vermandois

Eudes (Odo) "l'Insensé" (+ after 1085) According to the FMG Medieval Lands database

HERIBERT [VI] ([1032]-[1080]).

He succeeded his father in 1045 as Comte de Vermandois. He succeeded as Comte de Valois in 1077, by right of his wife. "Herbertus Vermandensium et Vadascorum comes" donated property to the church of Saint-Quentin and others, with the consent of "Alide coniugis meæ", by charter dated 1059 (date unlikely to be correct, considering that Héribert did not succeed as Comte de Valois until 1077)[1358]. m ([1059 or before]) ADELAIS de Valois, daughter of RAOUL [III] Comte de Valois, de Crépy et de Vitry & his first wife Aelis de Bar-sur-Aube (-after 1077).

The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Symonem et filiam…Adala" children of "comitis Veromandie [error for Valois] Rodolfi" and his wife Adela[1359]. The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified. Ctss de Valois. "Herbertus Vermandensium et Vadascorum comes" donated property to the church of Saint-Quentin and others, with the consent of "Alide coniugis meæ", by charter dated 1059 (date unlikely to be correct, considering that Héribert did not succeed as Comte de Valois until 1077)[1360]. Comte Héribert [VI] & his wife had two children:

a) EUDES “l’Insensé” (-after 1085). The De Genere Comitum Flandrensium, Notæ Parisienses names "Odonem et Adelam sororem" as the two children of "comes Herbertus", specifying that Eudes was "fatuus et indiscretus" but that his brother-in-law gave him "filiam cuiusdam militis Viromandensis" as a wife[1361]. He was disinherited by his father. m HADWIG, daughter of ---. The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified.

[NOTE- SEIGNEURS de SAINT-SIMON. The descent of the family of Saint-Simon from Eudes "l'Insensé" de Vermandois was fabricated in the 17th century to flatter Claude Rouvroy de Saint-Simon, favourite of Louis XIII King of France[1362]. On the basis of this genealogy, the senior branch of the family of Rouvroy adopted the name "Saint-Simon de Vermandois".]

b) ADELAIS de Vermandois ([1065]-28 Sep [1120/24]).

The De Genere Comitum Flandrensium, Notæ Parisienses names "Odonem et Adelam sororem" as the two children of "comes Herbertus", specifying that the husband of Adela was "Hugoni le Magne" and referring to her second husband "comes de Claromonte" and specifying that her daughter by the latter married Charles Count of Flanders[1363]. The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "Adelidem comitissam Viromandensium, defuncto priore viro, scilicet Hugone Magno" as wife of "comes Rainaldus [de Claromonte]"[1364]. She succeeded her father in [1080] as Ctss de Vermandois, de Valois et de Crépy. m firstly ([1080]%29 HUGUES de France, son of HENRI King of France & his second wife Anna Iaroslavna of Kiev (1057-Tarsus in Cilicia 18 Oct 1102, bur Tarsus church of St Paul). Comte de Vermandois et de Valois by right of his wife. Leader of the French contingent in the First Crusade Aug 1096 returning to France after the victory of Antioch 1098 to raise another army. He set out again Mar 1101 but died from wounds received fighting the Greeks at Tarsus in Cilicia. m secondly (1103) as his first wife, RENAUD de Clermont, son of HUGUES de Clermont [en-Beauvaisis] dit de Mouchy & his wife Marguerite de Roucy [Montdidier] (-before 1162). He took the title Comte after his marriage[1365]. Wikipedia on Herbert IV de Vermandois

Herbert IV of Vermandois (1028 – 1080), Count of Vermandois, was the son of Otto of Vermandois and Pavia (or Patia).

Family and children

He married Adele of Valois, daughter of Raoul III of Valois and Adele de Bar-sur-Aube, and had:

1. Adelaide, Countess of Vermandois, married to Hugh of Vermandois. 2. Odo, Count of Vermandois (+ after 1085), married to Hedwig. Later became Lord of Saint-Simon by marriage. The last Carolingian.

10. HERBERT (VI) DE VERMANDOIS, b. 1032, d. 1080, m. Adèle (Alix) de Crepy, b. 1032, d. 1118

Eudes de Vermandois, b. 1060

Alice (ou Adele) de Vermandois

Herbert was the son of Herbert I of Vermandois.[1] He was apparently well aware of his descent from Charlemagne.[2] Herbert inherited the domain of his father and in 907, added to it the Abbey of St. Medard, Soissons. He took the position of Lay abbot entitling him to the income of those estates.[1] His marriage with a daughter of king Robert I of France brought him the County of Meaux.[3]

In 922, when Seulf became Archbishop of Rheims, in an effort to appease Herbert II Seulf solemnly promised him he could nominate his successor.[4] In 923, Count Herbert took the bold step of imprisoning King Charles III, who died still a captive in 929.[a][3] Then, on the death of Seulf in 925, with the help of King Rudolph, he acquired for his second son Hugh (then five years old) the archbishopric of Rheims.[5] Herbert took the additional step of sending emissaries to Rome to Pope John X to gain his approval, which that pope gave in 926.[4] On his election young Hugh was sent to Auxerre to study.[2]

In 926, on the death of Count Roger of Laon, Herbert demanded this countship for Eudes, his eldest son.[6] He took the town in defiance of King Rudolph leading to a clash between the two in 927.[2] Using the threat of releasing King Charles III, who he held captive, Herbert managed to hold the city for four more years.[2] But after the death of Charles in 929, Rudolph again attacked Laon in 931 successfully defeating Herbert.[2] The same year the king entered Rheims and defeated archbishop Hugh, the son of Herbert.[7] Artaud became the new archbishop of Reims.[7] Herbert II then lost, in three years, Vitry, Laon, Château-Thierry, and Soissons.[8] The intervention of his ally, Henry the Fowler, allowed him to restore his domains (except Rheims and Laon) in exchange for his submission to King Rudolph.

Later Herbert allied with Hugh the Great and William Longsword, duke of Normandy against King Louis IV, who allocated the County of Laon to Roger II, the son of Roger I, in 941. Herbert and Hugh the Great took back Rheims and captured Artaud.[9] Hugh, the son of Herbert, was restored as archbishop.[9] Again the mediation of the German King Otto I in Visé, near Liège, in 942 allowed for the normalization of the situation.

Death and legacy[edit]

Herbert II died on 23 February 943 at Saint-Quentin, His vast estates and territories were divided among his sons.[10] Vermandois and Amiens went to the two elder sons while Robert and Herbert, the younger sons, were given the valuable holdings scattered throughout Champagne.[10] On Robert's death his brother's son Herbert III inherited them all. Herbert III's only son Stephen died childless in 1019–20 thus ending the male line of Herbert II.[10]

Family[edit]

Herbert married Adele, daughter of Robert I of France.[11] Together they had the following children: Eudes of Vermandois, Count of Amiens and of Vienne, (c. 910–946)[1] Adalbert I, Count of Vermandois (c. 915–987), married Gerberge of Lorraine[1] Adela of Vermandois (910–960), married 934 Count Arnulf I of Flanders[1] Herbert 'the Old' (c. 910–980), Count of Omois, Meaux and Troyes, and abbot of St. Medard, Soissons, married 951 Eadgifu of Wessex daughter of Edward the Elder King of England and widow of Charles III King of France.[b][1] Robert of Vermandois, Count of Meaux and Châlons († 967)[1] Luitgarde of Vermandois (c. 915-20–978), married 940 William I, Duke of Normandy;[1] married secondly, c. 943–44, Theobald I of Blois[c][12] Their son was Odo I, Count of Blois.[10] Hugh of Vermandois (920–962), Archbishop of Reims[1]

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