Named as son, and successor of Robert "Picot" de Say, Lord of Clun. Died after 1129.

HENRY de Say (-after [1129/30]). A charter dated to 1060 records the transactions of "Roberto de Sayo qui cognominabatur Ficot et Adaloye uxori…et…Roberto et Henrico filiis suis" with the monastery of Saint-Martin de Sees in Normandy, signed by "Rogeri comitis, Picot, Roberti filii eius, Henrici filii Picot, Adeloye uxoris Picot"[1056].

For full context, see below.

Charles Cawley writes in http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISHNOBILITYMEDIEVAL3P-S.htm:

ROBERT de Say "Picot" (-after 1086).

A charter dated to 1060 records the transactions of "Roberto de Sayo qui cognominabatur Ficot et Adaloye uxori…et…Roberto et Henrico filiis suis" [trans: Robert de Say who is known as Picot and his wife Adeloye and Robert and Henry his sons] with the monastery of Saint-Martin de Sees in Normandy, signed by "Rogeri comitis, Picot, Roberti filii eius, Henrici filii Picot, Adeloye uxoris Picot"[1050]. [trans: Count Roger, Picot, his son Robert, Henry son of Picot, Adeloye wife of Picot.]

"…Picotum vicecomitem…" [trans. Vicomte Picot] witnessed the charter under which William I King of England confirmed the rights of Ely abbey[1051]. "…Ivonem Taillebois, Petrum de Valoines, Picotem vicecomitem, Ticlum de Helum, Hugonem de Hosdeng" witnessed the charter dated to [1080] under which William I King of England confirmed the customs of Ely monastery[1052]. [trans. note: Other witnesses were Ivo Taillebois, Peter de Valoines, Ticlum de Helum and Hugo de Hosdeng]

Domesday records 27 manors in Shropshire held by "Picot", including Clun[1053].

m ADELAIS, daughter of ---. A charter dated to 1060 records the transactions of "Roberto de Sayo qui cognominabatur Ficot et Adaloye uxori…et…Roberto et Henrico filiis suis" with the monastery of Saint-Martin de Sees in Normandy, signed by "Rogeri comitis, Picot, Roberti filii eius, Henrici filii Picot, Adeloye uxoris Picot"[1054].

Robert & his wife had two children:

a) ROBERT de Say . A charter dated to 1060 records the transactions of "Roberto de Sayo qui cognominabatur Ficot et Adaloye uxori…et…Roberto et Henrico filiis suis" with the monastery of Saint-Martin de Sees in Normandy, signed by "Rogeri comitis, Picot, Roberti filii eius, Henrici filii Picot, Adeloye uxoris Picot"[1055].

b) HENRY de Say (-after [1129/30]). A charter dated to 1060 records the transactions of "Roberto de Sayo qui cognominabatur Ficot et Adaloye uxori…et…Roberto et Henrico filiis suis" with the monastery of Saint-Martin de Sees in Normandy, signed by "Rogeri comitis, Picot, Roberti filii eius, Henrici filii Picot, Adeloye uxoris Picot"[1056].

c) [ELIAS de Say (-1160 or before). Eyton suggests that Elias was the son of Henry de Say but he cites no primary source which suggests that this might be the case[1057]. According to Domesday Descendants, Henry was "brother and successor" [1140] of Henry de Say of Clun[1058]. Lord of Clun, Shropshire. "…Brianum de Jai et Heliam patrem eius…" witnessed the undated charter under which "Hugo de Mortuo mari" confirmed the donations to Saint-Victor-en-Caux by "patre meo Radulfo…ab avo meo Rogerio"[1059].] m ---. The name of Elias´s wife is not known. Elias & his wife had two children:

i) BRIAN de Say . "…Brianum de Jai et Heliam patrem eius…" witnessed the undated charter under which "Hugo de Mortuo mari" confirmed the donations to Saint-Victor-en-Caux by "patre meo Radulfo…ab avo meo Rogerio"[1060].
ii) ISABEL de Say (-[1199][1061]). “Willielmus de Boterell” confirmed the donation, for the soul of “Willielmi filii mei”, by “domina Isabella de Say uxor mea” of the church of St George, Clun to Wenlock Priory, by undated charter witnessed by “Brientio de Say…Hugone Peverell…”[1062]. m firstly ([1153/54]%29 as his second wife, WILLIAM FitzAlan, son of ALAN FitzFlaald & his [second] wife Aveline d'Hesdin (-1160). m secondly ([1160/66]) as his second wife, GEOFFREY de Vere, son of AUBREY de Vere & his wife Adelisa [Alice] de Clare (-1170). Lord of Clun and Oswestry, Shropshire. Sheriff of Shropshire 1167 to 1170[1063]. m thirdly ([1171]) as his first wife, WILLIAM Boterel [II] of Cornwall, son of WILLIAM Boterel [I] & his wife Alice Corbet (-[1211]).

Sources

[1050] Eyton (1860), Vol. XI, p. 225, quoting Gallia Christiana, Vol. XI, pp. 152-3.

[1051] Liber Eliensis, Vol. I, II, 117, p. 252.

[1052] Dugdale Monasticon I, Ely Monastery, Cambridgeshire, X, p. 477.

[1053] Eyton (1860), Vol. XI, p. 227.

[1054] Eyton (1860), Vol. XI, p. 225, quoting Gallia Christiana, Vol. XI, pp. 152-3.

[1055] Eyton (1860), Vol. XI, p. 225, quoting Gallia Christiana, Vol. XI, pp. 152-3.

[1056] Eyton (1860), Vol. XI, p. 225, quoting Gallia Christiana, Vol. XI, pp. 152-3.

[1057] Eyton (1860), Vol. XI, p. 228.

[1058] Domesday Descendants, p. 679, citing Rees (1975) Shrewsbury Cartulary, no. 350b.

[1059] Robillard de Beaurepaire, C. de (ed.) ´Recueil de chartes concernant l´abbaye de Saint-Victor-en-Caux´, Mélanges, documents publiés et annotés par MM Ch. de Beaurepaire, Paul le Cacheux, A. Héron et Hipplyte Sauvage, 5ème série (Rouen, 1898) ("Caux Saint-Victor"), II, p. 370.

[1060] Caux Saint-Victor, II, p. 370.

[1061] Domesday Descendants, p. 680.

[1062] Dugdale Monasticon V, Wenlock Priory, Shropshire, V, p. 76.

[1063] CP X Appendix J, p. 113.

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4th Baron.
Gilbert de LACY died after 1163. "GILBERT (ob. post 1163) = ?"

--- W E Wightman, *The Lacy Family in England and Normandy,1066-1194*, genealogical chart following p 260.

***************************** Gilbert, upon succeeding his uncle, assumed the surname of Laci. This feudal lord, in the conflict between Stephen and the Empress, espoused the cause of the latter. He eventually became a knight Templar, and was s. by (whether son or brother not known) Hugh de Laci. [Bernard Burke, Dormant and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd, London, 1883, p. 310, Lacy, Earls of Lincoln]

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Gilbert de Lacy (fl 1150), fourth baron Lacy, was son of Emma, daughter of Walter de Lacy, first baron. His father's name is not known. After the death of his uncle, Hugh de Lacy, the family estates were taken into the royal hands, but Gilbert assumed the name of Lacy. In the reign of Stephen he at first supported the Empress Matilda, in whose behalf he attempted to capture Bath in 1138. but by 1146 he had gone over to the king, perhamps because the empress kept Joce de Dinan in possession of Ludlow Castle. So far as there is any truth in the early part of the 'Romance of Fulk Fitzwarine,' Gilbert, and not his grandson Walter, must be the hero. That Joce and Gilbert were opponents is an historical fact. Gilbert appears to have obtained the favour of Henry II, and recovered his uncle's lands; in 1158 he was excused the 'donim' to the king. A little later he joined the knights of the Temple, and went to the Holy Land. There he became preceptor of his order in the county of Tripoli, in which capacity he engaged in Geoffrey of Angouleme's successful expedition against Noureddin in 1163. He gave the templars twelve hides of land; and one virgate in Guttinges, and also five burgages in Winchcombe. He is described as a prudent man and skilful soldier. [Dictionary of National Biography XI:375-6

Please see Darrell Wolcott: Henry, the Forgotten Son of Cadwgan ap Bleddyn; http://www.ancientwalesstudies.org/id117.html. (Steven Ferry, April, 5, 2020.)