http://www.ormerod.uk.net/History/Ormerod/de_lancaster_connection.htm

The following information is taken from notes made by John Lord (d. 1906), who inserted them interleaf in his copy of George Ormerod's Parentalia. John Lord was related to the Ormerods of Monton, through the Openshaws. His original notes were made on engineer's graph paper, which make them quite hard to read, and the notes below are my best transcription of the original.

"De Lancasters - Barons of Kendal, from The Lancashire Pipe Rolls, W. Farrer (1907), p.vii.

"William, son of Gilbert de Lancaster:

"The origin of the Lancaster family is shrouded in mystery. The monks of St. Mary of York dedicated Gilbert de Lancaster from Ivo de Taillebois, viz., son of Ketell, son of Eldred, son of Ivo - (Monastieon, iii, p.553). Whilst it is quite certain that he died without male issue, it is not impossible that Gilbert may have been the son of Ketell, son of Eldred, and brother of Orm, son of the said Ketell, who inherited his father's estates of Workington, Preston, Patrick .. and was father of Gospatrick, to whom William de Lancaster, son of the said Gilbert, before the year 1170, gave the vill of Lansplugh[?] in exchange for Middleton in Lonsdale.

Before 1139, William, son of Gilbert de Lancaster, gave land in a place called Suarlheued [?], in Hensingham, or Preston, near Whitehaven to St Mary and St Beda and the monks of York; Roger son of Gilbert and, and probably brother of the said William, subsequently gave two oxgangs of land in Hensingham. Ketel, son Eldred, held Workington, Kelton, .. of Ranulf of Meschines; Mirland, Preston, Patrick, and lands in Newby, Kirkley, Kendal and elsewhere in Westmorland, of the fief of Ivo de Taillebois.

Gospatrick, son of Orm, son of the said Ketell held his lands both in Copeland and Westmorland of the Lancaster, Barons of Kendal as appears by a charter of William, son of Gilbert de Lancaster quoted above (Transactions Cumberland and Westmorland, Arch. Society, V, p.312), and by Gilbert, son of Roger Fitz Reinfrese confiscation to the Abbey of St. Mary of York (Monastieon, iii, p.566).

"While there is nothing in these particulars inconsistent with ... made by Ranulf Meschines of various estates in Copeland and Westmorland to Gilbert de Lancaster, in a portion of which Ketell, son of Eldred, may already or subsequently have been enfeoffeed, as an under-tenant of Gilbert's, there is no evidence to be formed that relationship existed between Gilbert and Ketell." Pipe Rolls, p.iii.

"Orm de Lancaster

We are thus indebted to the "Pipe Rolls" for evidence of the Lancaster family having a younger son of the name of Orm.

The importance of this discovery bears upon the descent of the family of Ormerod of Ormerod from the family of de Lancasters Barons of Kendal. The Ormerod Arms are very similar to the Arms bornes by the de Lancasters vides Parentalia pp.3 and 4.

Mag. Rot. Pip, 16 Henry II (1169-1170)

William de Lancaster, and Gospatric, son of Orm (ancestor of the Curwens [?] of Worthington and cousin to William de Lancaster) were suretir for payments of v marks each.

See pp.16, 18 20, 23, 33, 311 & 314 of W. Farrer's Work, pub. 1902)

This evidence of some value when read in conjunction with Dr. Ormerod's observations in his Parentalia.

But if no relationship existed between Gilbert de Lancaster and Ketell there appears no doubt whatever that Orm was the son of Ketell, son of Eldred. There is nothing shown by any author I have read to exclude the supposition that Eldred was a natural son of Ivo de Taillebois." John Lord

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Gilbert de Lancaster c. 1104 (Workington, Cumberland, England) - ? (Kendal, Westmoreland, England)

Parents: Ketel of Kendal c. 1055-c.1120 and Christiana de Taillebois c. 1086-?

married: Goditha de Taillebois c. 1105 (Lancaster, Lancashire, England) - ?

Children:

1. William de Lancester c. 1122-1170 (married Gundred, Countess de Warenne)

2. Nicholas FitzGilbert de Lancaster c. 1125-?

3. Gilbert de Lancaster c. 1126

Gilbert was the 4th Baron Kendal of Workington at Coupland.

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from Compiler: R. B. Stewart, Evans, GA

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General Notes:

   Gilbert, 4th Baron Kendal, son of Ketel, Baron Kendal, son of Eldred, Baron Kendal. [Ancestral Roots, line 34-24]

The following is a post to SGM, 2 Oct 1998, by Nigel Barker:
From: Nigel Barker (nigel AT a6law.demon.co.uk)

   Subject: Re: Ivo and Lucy Talybois

   Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval

   Date: 1998/10/02

I set out some further information which may assist this matter -

   another doubtful Charter of a Religeous House, with partisan views, may

   be distorting proper genealogy!

   >

   VICTORIA HISTORY OF LANCASHIRE

   VOL I pp35>

.Notes from passage on the family of Lancaster, Barons of Kendal
[The origin of the family is obscure.]
[Small landholder within the Barony of Coupland.]
[Granted land by William Meschine when he was granted his fief by Henry I.]
"The first recorded member is little mentioned beyond the bare fact that his name was Gilbert and his wife's name was Godith (Lancs Fines Rec Soc XXXIX 61). To this the monkish chroniclers have added the fiction that he was the son of Ketel, son of Eldred, son of Ivo Taillebois (Mon Angl iii 553 & Cockersands Cartulary, Chethem Soc (New Series) xxxix 305), whereas he was almost, if not quite, contemporary with Ivo, by whom Gilbert and his predecessor was probably enffeoffed of those manors within the Barony of Westmoreland which his descendants, the barons of Kendal, where chief lords. (Gilbert fitz Reinford & Helewise his wife confirmed some of Ivo's grants to the Abbey of St. Mary, York (Mon Ang iii 566))
The connection which existed between the heirs of Ketel, son of Eldred, namely the Curwens of Workington, and the Lancasters, of whom the former held several manors in Cumberland and Westmoreland, was probably of tenure rather than consanguinity. Intimately connected with this subject is a charter, of which an ancient transcript is preserved at Levens Hall, by which Roger de Mawbury grants to William son of Gilbert de Lancaster,in fee and inheritance, "all my land of Lonsdale, and of Kendal, and Horton in Ribblesdale, to hold by the service of 4 knights (Reg of Deeds at Levens Hall f79, Lancs Pipe Reg 389). It would be interesting to discuss the question as to whether this charter represents an original grant or merely a confirmation of a much older infeudation.
William son of Gilbert was the first to be enfeoffed of land in Lancaster. In 1212 he is described as "Willelmus filiuus Gibberti premus". He is not always described as "de Lancaster" for which it may be inferred that he was the first of his line to be associated with the Court and its Lords. The Mon. Chronicle to which allusion has already been made tells us that he caused himself to be called "de Lancaster" by the King's Licence, and to be styled before the King in Parliament (sic) "William de Lancaster, Baron Kendal". The same Chronicle states that he married Gundreda, formerly Countess of Warwick, whose husband, Roger de Newburgh, died in 1153.
William de Lancaster died in or after 1170.
Et seq.
Nigel Barker 593
•Name: Gilbert Fil Ketrell 1 2 •Sex: M •Title: 4th Baron of Kendall •Birth: ABT 1120 1 2 •Death: UNKNOWN

Father: Ketell b: ABT 1100 Mother: Christiana b: ABT 1100

Marriage 1 Gundred De Warenne b: 1117 Children 1. William De Lancaster b: ABT 1160

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GIL:BERT FIL KETELL 4th Baron of Kendall living temp. King Henry I, left issue by Beatrice, daughter of Ribald of Middleham, brother of Alan, Earl of the East Angles, a son and successor,

William fil Gilbert, 5th Baron of Kendall, made by King Henry II, Constable of Lancaster Castle whereupon he took the surname of Lancaster. By his wife Gundreda, daughter of William 2nd Earl of Warren and granddaughter of Gundreda, daughter of William the Conqueror, he has issue.

Gilbert FitzKetel de Lancaster, 4th Baron Kendal

http://www.ormerod.uk.net/History/Ormerod/de_lancaster_connection.htm

The following information is taken from notes made by John Lord (d. 1906), who inserted them interleaf in his copy of George Ormerod's Parentalia. John Lord was related to the Ormerods of Monton, through the Openshaws. His original notes were made on engineer's graph paper, which make them quite hard to read, and the notes below are my best transcription of the original.

"De Lancasters - Barons of Kendal, from The Lancashire Pipe Rolls, W. Farrer (1907), p.vii.

"William, son of Gilbert de Lancaster:

"The origin of the Lancaster family is shrouded in mystery. The monks of St. Mary of York dedicated Gilbert de Lancaster from Ivo de Taillebois, viz., son of Ketell, son of Eldred, son of Ivo - (Monastieon, iii, p.553). Whilst it is quite certain that he died without male issue, it is not impossible that Gilbert may have been the son of Ketell, son of Eldred, and brother of Orm, son of the said Ketell, who inherited his father's estates of Workington, Preston, Patrick .. and was father of Gospatrick, to whom William de Lancaster, son of the said Gilbert, before the year 1170, gave the vill of Lansplugh[?] in exchange for Middleton in Lonsdale.

Before 1139, William, son of Gilbert de Lancaster, gave land in a place called Suarlheued [?], in Hensingham, or Preston, near Whitehaven to St Mary and St Beda and the monks of York; Roger son of Gilbert and, and probably brother of the said William, subsequently gave two oxgangs of land in Hensingham. Ketel, son Eldred, held Workington, Kelton, .. of Ranulf of Meschines; Mirland, Preston, Patrick, and lands in Newby, Kirkley, Kendal and elsewhere in Westmorland, of the fief of Ivo de Taillebois.

Gospatrick, son of Orm, son of the said Ketell held his lands both in Copeland and Westmorland of the Lancaster, Barons of Kendal as appears by a charter of William, son of Gilbert de Lancaster quoted above (Transactions Cumberland and Westmorland, Arch. Society, V, p.312), and by Gilbert, son of Roger Fitz Reinfrese confiscation to the Abbey of St. Mary of York (Monastieon, iii, p.566).

"While there is nothing in these particulars inconsistent with ... made by Ranulf Meschines of various estates in Copeland and Westmorland to Gilbert de Lancaster, in a portion of which Ketell, son of Eldred, may already or subsequently have been enfeoffeed, as an under-tenant of Gilbert's, there is no evidence to be formed that relationship existed between Gilbert and Ketell." Pipe Rolls, p.iii.

"Orm de Lancaster

We are thus indebted to the "Pipe Rolls" for evidence of the Lancaster family having a younger son of the name of Orm.

The importance of this discovery bears upon the descent of the family of Ormerod of Ormerod from the family of de Lancasters Barons of Kendal. The Ormerod Arms are very similar to the Arms bornes by the de Lancasters vides Parentalia pp.3 and 4.

Mag. Rot. Pip, 16 Henry II (1169-1170)

William de Lancaster, and Gospatric, son of Orm (ancestor of the Curwens [?] of Worthington and cousin to William de Lancaster) were suretir for payments of v marks each.

See pp.16, 18 20, 23, 33, 311 & 314 of W. Farrer's Work, pub. 1902)

This evidence of some value when read in conjunction with Dr. Ormerod's observations in his Parentalia.

But if no relationship existed between Gilbert de Lancaster and Ketell there appears no doubt whatever that Orm was the son of Ketell, son of Eldred. There is nothing shown by any author I have read to exclude the supposition that Eldred was a natural son of Ivo de Taillebois." John Lord

http://www.gurganus.org/ourfamily/browse.cfm/Gilbert-de-Lancaster/f...

Gilbert de Lancaster c. 1104 (Workington, Cumberland, England) - ? (Kendal, Westmoreland, England)

Parents: Ketel of Kendal c. 1055-c.1120 and Christiana de Taillebois c. 1086-?

married: Goditha de Taillebois c. 1105 (Lancaster, Lancashire, England) - ?

Children:

1. William de Lancester c. 1122-1170 (married Gundred, Countess de Warenne)

2. Nicholas FitzGilbert de Lancaster c. 1125-?

3. Gilbert de Lancaster c. 1126

Gilbert was the 4th Baron Kendal of Workington at Coupland.

See "My Lines"

( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/p62.htm#i7936 )

from Compiler: R. B. Stewart, Evans, GA

( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/index.htm )

More on Gilbert:

http://www.celtic-casimir.com/webtree/5/31249.htm

General Notes:

Gilbert, 4th Baron Kendal, son of Ketel, Baron Kendal, son of Eldred, Baron Kendal. [Ancestral Roots, line 34-24] > The following is a post to SGM, 2 Oct 1998, by Nigel Barker: From: Nigel Barker (nigel AT a6law.demon.co.uk) Subject: Re: Ivo and Lucy Talybois Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval Date: 1998/10/02 I set out some further information which may assist this matter - another doubtful Charter of a Religeous House, with partisan views, may be distorting proper genealogy! > VICTORIA HISTORY OF LANCASHIRE VOL I pp35> .Notes from passage on the family of Lancaster, Barons of Kendal [The origin of the family is obscure.] [Small landholder within the Barony of Coupland.] [Granted land by William Meschine when he was granted his fief by Henry I.] "The first recorded member is little mentioned beyond the bare fact that his name was Gilbert and his wife's name was Godith (Lancs Fines Rec Soc XXXIX 61). To this the monkish chroniclers have added the fiction that he was the son of Ketel, son of Eldred, son of Ivo Taillebois (Mon Angl iii 553 & Cockersands Cartulary, Chethem Soc (New Series) xxxix 305), whereas he was almost, if not quite, contemporary with Ivo, by whom Gilbert and his predecessor was probably enffeoffed of those manors within the Barony of Westmoreland which his descendants, the barons of Kendal, where chief lords. (Gilbert fitz Reinford & Helewise his wife confirmed some of Ivo's grants to the Abbey of St. Mary, York (Mon Ang iii 566)) The connection which existed between the heirs of Ketel, son of Eldred, namely the Curwens of Workington, and the Lancasters, of whom the former held several manors in Cumberland and Westmoreland, was probably of tenure rather than consanguinity. Intimately connected with this subject is a charter, of which an ancient transcript is preserved at Levens Hall, by which Roger de Mawbury grants to William son of Gilbert de Lancaster,in fee and inheritance, "all my land of Lonsdale, and of Kendal, and Horton in Ribblesdale, to hold by the service of 4 knights (Reg of Deeds at Levens Hall f79, Lancs Pipe Reg 389). It would be interesting to discuss the question as to whether this charter represents an original grant or merely a confirmation of a much older infeudation. William son of Gilbert was the first to be enfeoffed of land in Lancaster. In 1212 he is described as "Willelmus filiuus Gibberti premus". He is not always described as "de Lancaster" for which it may be inferred that he was the first of his line to be associated with the Court and its Lords. The Mon. Chronicle to which allusion has already been made tells us that he caused himself to be called "de Lancaster" by the King's Licence, and to be styled before the King in Parliament (sic) "William de Lancaster, Baron Kendal". The same Chronicle states that he married Gundreda, formerly Countess of Warwick, whose husband, Roger de Newburgh, died in 1153. William de Lancaster died in or after 1170. Et seq. Nigel Barker 593 •Name: Gilbert Fil Ketrell 1 2 •Sex: M •Title: 4th Baron of Kendall •Birth: ABT 1120 1 2 •Death: UNKNOWN

Father: Ketell b: ABT 1100 Mother: Christiana b: ABT 1100

Marriage 1 Gundred De Warenne b: 1117 Children 1. William De Lancaster b: ABT 1160

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GIL:BERT FIL KETELL 4th Baron of Kendall living temp. King Henry I, left issue by Beatrice, daughter of Ribald of Middleham, brother of Alan, Earl of the East Angles, a son and successor,

William fil Gilbert, 5th Baron of Kendall, made by King Henry II, Constable of Lancaster Castle whereupon he took the surname of Lancaster. By his wife Gundreda, daughter of William 2nd Earl of Warren and granddaughter of Gundreda, daughter of William the Conqueror, he has issue.
Gilbert Lancaster de Furnesio
BIRTH
unknown
England
DEATH
1138
England
BURIAL
Burial Details Unknown
MEMORIAL ID
171802126
Gilbert FitzKetel de Lancaster, 4th Baron Kendal