Elizabeth Cheney, Lady Say

From the English language Wikipedia page on Elizabeth Cheney (1422-1473)

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Elizabeth Cheney (1422 – 25 September 1473), later known as Elizabeth, Lady Tilney and Elizabeth, Lady Say, was an English aristocrat, who, by dint of her two marriages, was the great-grandmother of Anne Boleyn, Jane Seymour, and Catherine Howard, three of the wives of King Henry VIII of England. Her first husband was Sir Frederick Tilney, and her second husband was Sir John Say, Speaker of the House of Commons. She produced a total of nine children from both marriages.

Family

Born in Fen Ditton, Cambridgeshire, in 1422, she was the eldest child of Sir Laurence Cheney, Sheriff of Cambridge and Elizabeth Cockayne[1] [She had three younger sisters, [Anne, wife of John Appleyard - NO] Mary, wife of John Allington; [Catherine, wife of Henry Barley - NO] and one brother, Sir John Cheney who married Elizabeth Rempston, by whom he had issue.[2] She also had two half-brothers by her mother's first marriage to Sir Philip Butler, a member of the noble Irish family, the Butlers of Ormond.

Her paternal grandparents were Sir William Cheney and Catherine Pabenham. Her maternal grandparents were Sir John Cockayne, Chief Baron of the Exchequer and Ida de Grey, the daughter of Reginald Grey, 2nd Baron Grey de Ruthyn and Eleanor Le Strange of Blackmere.[3]

Marriages and children

On an unknown date, Elizabeth married her first husband Sir Frederick Tilney, of Ashwellthorpe, Norfolk, and Boston, Lincolnshire. He was the son of Sir Philip Tilney and Isabel Thorpe. They made their principal residence at Ashwellthorpe Manor.[4] Together Sir Frederick and Elizabeth had one daughter:

• 1. Elizabeth Tilney (before 1445- 4 April 1497), married firstly in about 1466, Sir Humphrey Bourchier, by whom she had three children; and secondly on 30 April 1472, Thomas Howard, Earl of Surrey, who would later become the 2nd Duke of Norfolk, by whom she had nine children. These children included Thomas Howard, 3rd Duke of Norfolk, Elizabeth Howard, mother of Anne Boleyn, and Lord Edmund Howard, father of Catherine Howard.

Sir Frederick died in 1445, leaving their young daughter Elizabeth as heiress to his estates. Shortly before 1 December 1446, Elizabeth Cheney married secondly to Sir John Say of Broxbourne, Speaker of the House of Commons, and a member of the household of King Henry VI. He was a member of the embassy, led by William de la Pole, which was sent to France in 1444 to negotiate with King Charles VII for the marriage between King Henry and Margaret of Anjou.[5]

Her father settled land worth 50 marks clear per annum upon the couple and their issue before Candlemas 1453.[6] They made their home at Broxbourne, Hertfordshire.

Together Sir John and Elizabeth had three sons and five daughters:

• 1. Sir William Say (1452- 1529), Sheriff of Somerset and Dorset (1478-79), Sheriff of Essex and Hertfordshire (1482-83), married secondly Elizabeth Fray, widow of Sir Thomas Waldegrave, by whom he had two daughters, Mary Say and Elizabeth Say. [7] Mary, the eldest daughter married Henry Bourchier, 1st Earl of Essex and 6th Baron Bourchier, by whom she had one daughter, Anne Bourchier, 7th Baroness Bourchier
• 2. Thomas Say
• 3. Rev. Leonard Say, a Roman Catholic priest
• 4. Anne Say (died 1478/1494), married Henry Wentworth, Sheriff of Yorkshire, by whom she had issue, including Margaret Wentworth, mother of Jane Seymour.
• 5. Mary Say, married Sir Philip Calthorpe, by whom she had issue.
• 6. Elizabeth Say, married Thomas Sampson
• 7. Katherine Say, married Thomas Bassingbourne
• 8. Unnamed daughter, died young

Death

On 25 September 1473, aged 51, Elizabeth Cheney died. She was buried in the church at Broxbourne.

Following her death, John Say remarried to Agnes Danvers. He died five years later on 12 April 1478. Sometime after 1478, Elizabeth's eldest son, Sir William Say, married his second wife, Elizabeth Fray, a daughter of his stepmother Agnes, by her first husband, Sir John Fray (1419- 1461), Chief Baron of the Exchequer.[8]

Ancestry

Sources

John Smith Roskell, Parliament and Politics in Late Medieval England, Vol.2, Google Books, accessed 9 September 2009

References

• 1. ^ The Peerage website
• 2. ^ Tudorplace.com genealogy site/information
• 3. ^ Ida Ashworth Taylor, Lady Jane Grey and Her Times, p. 8, Google Books, accessed 3 September 2009
• 4. ^ The Peerage website
• 5. ^ John Smith Roskell, Parliament and Politics in Late Medieval England, volume 2, p. 155, Google Books, accessed 9 September 2009
• 6. ^ John Smith Roskell, Parliament and Politics in Late Medieval England, volume 2, p. 156, Google Books, accessed 9 September 2009
• 7. ^ John Smith Roskell, Parliament and Politics in Late Medieval England, volume 2, pp. 170-71, Google Books, accessed 9 September 2009
• 8. ^ John Smith Roswell, Parliament and Politics in Late Medieval England, volume 2, p. 170, Google Books, accessed 9 September 2009

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From Darryl Lundy's Peerage page on Elizabeth Cheney:

http://thepeerage.com/p335.htm#i3342

Elizabeth Cheney is the daughter of Sir Lawrence Cheney and Elizabeth Cokayn.

Child of Elizabeth Cheney and Sir John Say

• 1. Anne Say+ d. b 22 Oct 1494

Child of Elizabeth Cheney and Sir Frederick Tylney

• 1. Elizabeth Tylney+ b. 1447, d. 4 Apr 1497

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Children: 1. Elizabeth TYLNEY, Countess of Surrey b: 1446 in Surrey, England

Ancestor of both Queen Jane Seymour and Queen Anne Boleyn.

• "...by dint of her two marriages, was the great-grandmother of Anne Boleyn, Jane Seymour, and Catherine Howard, three of the wives of King Henry VIII of England, thus making her great-great-grandmother to King Edward VI, the son of Henry VIII and Jane Seymour, and Elizabeth I, the daughter of Henry VIII and Anne Boleyn."
• Elizabeth's brother---Sir John Cheney, and his wife Elizabeth Rempston---are direct ancestors of former Vice-President Richard Cheney.

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• Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study In Colonial And Medieval Families, 2nd Edition ... page 526. < GoogleBooks > Laurence Cheyne (or Cheney) married Elizabeth Cockayne, widow of Philip le Boteler. 1 son, John; 2 daughters, Elizabeth and Mary (wife of John Allington).

www.findagrave.com

Elizabeth Cheney Say
BIRTH 1424
Fen Ditton, South Cambridgeshire District, Cambridgeshire, England
DEATH 25 Sep 1473 (aged 48–49)
Broxbourne, Broxbourne Borough, Hertfordshire, England
BURIAL
Saint Augustine's Churchyard
Broxbourne, Broxbourne Borough, Hertfordshire, England
MEMORIAL ID 73922210

Family Members
Parents
Lawrence Cheney
1397–1461
Elizabeth Cokayne
1394 – unknown

Spouses
Frederick Tylney
1420–1447 (m. 1443)
John Say
1415–1478 (m. 1448)

Siblings
John Cheney
1424–1489

Children
Elizabeth Tilney Howard
1445–1497
Anne Say Wentworth
1450–1492
William Say
1452–1529
Elizabeth de Say
1455–1484