Iorwerth de Hulton - Iorweth de Hulton

And Italian.

https://www.monasterium.net/mom/WhalleyAbbeyII/c89e27c3-b3ae-45b7-9...

Here:

https://cybergata.com/roots/7734.htm

Jorwerth de Hulton

• Born: Abt 1183-1199, Hulton, Lancanshire, England
• Marriage: Unknown

Other names for Jorwerth were Iowerth de Hulton and Yarwit de Hulton.

Information about this person:

• Background Information. 812

Jorveth, alias Yarwit de Hulton, flourished during the reigns of Richard I and John. He was given a grant by charter from King John of the town of Penelton in Lancashire in exchange for other lands which the king, when Earl of Morton, had given him.

~Burke's Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Landed Gentry, Vol. I, pg. 613

• Background Information. 823
Jorwerth de Hulton had a grant of Penhulton from King John. He had at least four children we know of:

(1) Richard, who succeeded

(2) Robert, who had three children himself named Robert de Hulton, seneschal of William de Ferrers, earl of Derby. Robert, the son, married Alice daughter and heir of John de Pontefracto and they had a son named Richard de Hulton; Jordon de Hulton, parsons de Weryngton; and Elena.

(3) Meurice de Hulton, who had a son named John de Hulton who had a son named Richard, who was succeeded by his son also named Richard.

(4) Meredith de Hulton, who had a son named William, who had a son named Thomas who married Diana de Salebury.

(5) Catherine, married to Philip de Malpas.

(6) Cecilia

~ The Coucher Book, Or Chatulary of Whalley Abbey, Vol. I, p. 52

• 812 John Burke and John Bernard Burke, Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Landed Gentry of Great Britain & Ireland, Vol. I A-L, Published 1847, London, Henry Colburn, 4th Edition. Vol. I, pg. 613.GoogleBooks
• 823 Edited by W. H. Hulton, Esq, The Coucher Book, Or Chatulary of Whalley Abbey, Vol. I, Published 1847, Cheshire, England, Chetham Society, Remains, Historical and Literary Connected With the Palatine Counties of Lancaster and Chester, Vol. X, , found on [823 Edited by W. H. Hulton, Esq, The Coucher Book, Or Chatulary of Whalley Abbey, Vol. I, Published 1847, Cheshire, England, Chetham Society, Remains, Historical and Literary Connected With the Palatine Counties of Lancaster and Chester, Vol. X, found on GoogleBooks

This family does not appear in the Welsh Genealogies — they are exiled early enough that they don’t make much impact on those lines, I gather; at any rate, they appear only in the English records. The source that Robert likes is a good one.

You can see where this family’s allegiances lay by the gift from King John.

Private User, thank you.

Why would they have sided with the English?

Would the father, Bleddyn carry a place name of “de Hulton”?

Oh, people just did sometimes. Deals, money. The English kings would back one leader against another, and having such a power backing a move to take over part of Wales was seductive.

In this particular case, Bleddyn de Hulton’s family had sided with Robert Banastre, and when Owain Gwynedd destroyed Banastre’s castle in Wales, the de Hultons went with him into Lancashire.

But you can see by their names that they were a mixed Welsh and Anglo/Norman family. It was not uncommon for such families to have moveable allegiances.

There were of course some Welshmen who took up with the English, a prime example being Dafydd Gam ap Llewelyn (Davy Gam), who killed one of his cousins in a street fight, and then fought with the English against Owain Glyndwr. Then he went and fought with the English at Agincourt, where he was posthumously knighted by the king. He is a hero to the English. He is not a hero to the Welsh.

https://www.1066.co.nz/Mosaic%20DVD/text/people/banastre.htm

Robert Banastre came to England at the conquest and an ancient pedigree of this family, beginning with Robert down to the time of Edward I, is preserved on the rolls of parliament. He held Prestatyn, one of the hundreds of Flintshire, under Robert of Rhudlaw (de Rodelent), a kinsman of the Conqueror, where a castle was built which was destroyed by the Welsh during the reign of Henry II. The family then withdrew to Lancashire, where they held possessions under the earl of Chester.

That would be this Robert Banastre, lord of Makerfield with wrong wife & right kids, I think.

https://archive.org/details/recordsocietyfor27reco/page/n22/mode/1u...

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You might find this of interest, as it ties in with your work on the de Hultons.

I’ve tried to clean up the Robert Banastre, lord of Makerfield line, and found this:

Links to Banastre's Welshmen

There were apparently "very considerable numbers" of Welshmen who accompanied Banastre when driven to Lancashire in 1167. As these are identified, they are linked on Blethyn de Hulton.

Private User

Margaret de Hulton & David de Hulton children of Robert de Hulton were your entries. I don’t see refs for them.

Private User

I don’t see a reason for you not to add Jordan and Elena as children of Robert de Hulton as per the The Coucher Book, Or Chatulary of Whalley Abbey, Vol. I, p. 52 source.

https://books.google.com/books?id=HP0MAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA52#v=onepage&q&...

Whoops! Unlocked relationships for you.