Sulayman ibn Hud al-Mustain I - Profiles in a loop?

[[Sulaymán ibn Hud al-Mustain I 'al-Mutamin', rey de Lérida y Zaragoza Sulaymán ibn Hud al-Mustain I 'al-Mutamin', rey de Lérida y Zaragoza] SULEYMAN bin Hud Mutamin] (-1046). Abd el-Wahid Merrakechi records that "Soleyman b. Houd…surnom…Moutamin, son fils…Moktadir et son petit-fils…Mostain" held "Tortose…Saragosse…Fraga, Lérida et Calatayud"[645]. Suleyman had one child:

a) [[Abú Yaáfar Áhmad ibn Sulaymán al-Muqtádir, rey de la taifa de Saraqusta Abú Yaáfar Áhmad ibn Sulaymán al-Muqtádir, rey de la taifa de Saraqusta] al-MUQTADIR] (-1081). Abd el-Wahid Merrakechi records that "Soleyman b. Houd…surnom…Moutamin, son fils…Moktadir et son petit-fils…Mostain" held "Tortose…Saragosse…Fraga, Lérida et Calatayud"[646]. al-Muqtadir had one child:

i) [[Yúsuf ibn Ahmad al-Mutaman, rey de Zaragoza Yúsuf ibn Ahmad al-Mutaman, rey de Zaragoza] al-MUSTAIN] (-killed in battle near Zaragoza [1109/10]). Abd el-Wahid Merrakechi records that "Soleyman b. Houd…surnom…Moutamin, son fils…Moktadir et son petit-fils…Mostain" held "Tortose…Saragosse…Fraga, Lérida et Calatayud"[647]. Ibn Khaldun records that "Ali-Ibn-Youçof" crossed into Spain A.H. 503 (1109/10) and that "El-Mostain-Ibn-Houd" was killed defending Zaragoza against "le fils de Radmir" [Alfonso I King of Aragon] who proceeded to besiege Tudela[648]. https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/MOORISH%20SPAIN.htm

I think the Sulaymán ibn Hud al-Mustain I 'al-Mutamin', rey de Lérida y Zaragoza who died in 1046 should be named SULEYMAN bin Hud MuAbd el-Wahid

Merrakechi records that "Soleyman b. Houd…surnom…Moutamin, son fils…Moktadir et son petit-fils…Mostain" held "Tortose…Saragosse…Fraga, Lérida et Calatayud"tamin

Or am I not seeing something obvious. Ahmed?

SULEYMAN bin Hud Mutamin (-1046). Abd el-Wahid Merrakechi records that "Soleyman b. Houd…surnom…Moutamin, son fils…Moktadir et son petit-fils…Mostain" held "Tortose…Saragosse…Fraga, Lérida et Calatayud"[645]. Suleyman had one child:

a) al-MUQTADIR (-1081). Abd el-Wahid Merrakechi records that "Soleyman b. Houd…surnom…Moutamin, son fils…Moktadir et son petit-fils…Mostain" held "Tortose…Saragosse…Fraga, Lérida et Calatayud"[646]. al-Muqtadir had one child:

i) al-MUSTAIN (-killed in battle near Zaragoza [1109/10]). Abd el-Wahid Merrakechi records that "Soleyman b. Houd…surnom…Moutamin, son fils…Moktadir et son petit-fils…Mostain" held "Tortose…Saragosse…Fraga, Lérida et Calatayud"[647]. Ibn Khaldun records that "Ali-Ibn-Youçof" crossed into Spain A.H. 503 (1109/10) and that "El-Mostain-Ibn-Houd" was killed defending Zaragoza against "le fils de Radmir" [Alfonso I King of Aragon] who proceeded to besiege Tudela[648]. https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/MOORISH%20SPAIN.htm

I think the proflie who died in 1046/7, presently named Sulaymán ibn Hud al-Mustain I 'al-Mutamin', rey de Lérida y Zaragoza should be named SULEYMAN bin Hud Mutamin (-1046)

The current Geni profile:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Musta%27in_I

al-Mustaʿin I
Ruler of Zaragoza
Reign 1039–1046/1049
Predecessor Abd Allah ibn al-Hakam al-Tujibi
Successor Ahmad al-Muqtadir
Died 1046 or 1049

Sulayman ibn Muhammad ibn Hud al-Judhami (Arabic: سليمان بن محمد بن هود الجذامي), known by the regnal name al-Mustaʿin bi-Illah (Arabic: المستعين بالله, lit. 'He who looks for help to God'), was the first member of the Banu Hud family to rule the medieval taifa of Zaragoza, today a province in Spain. He ruled from 1039 (when he seized control of the city from the Banu Tujib) to 1046.[1] cites:

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Hudid-dynasty

Hūdid Dynasty, Muslim Arab dynasty that ruled Saragossa, Spain, in the 11th century during the politically confused period of the party kingdoms (ṭāʾifahs).

The murder of the Tujībid king Mundhir II, in 1039, enabled one of his allies, Sulaymān ibn Muḥammad ibn Hūd, known as al-Mustaʿīn, to seize the Tujībid capital of Saragossa and establish a new dynasty. Al-Mustaʿīn, who had been a prominent military figure of the Upper, or Northern, Frontier and governor of Lérida, took control of a kingdom that covered a considerable portion of the northeastern Iberian Peninsula. After his death, in 1046, his five sons struggled for the throne; and Aḥmad I al-Muqtadir (reigned 1046–81) emerged as the new king.

cites:

http://www.balagan.org.uk/war/iberia/0711/rulers_muslim.htm

Al-Andalusian rulers of Zaragoza
Zaragoza (Sarakusta)
Rulers

• ...Adb Allah ibn al-Hakam al-Tjibi (1039)

Banu Hud (1039-1110). A rival local family took over.

• Al-Mustain I, Sulayman ibn Hud al-Judhami (1039-1049)
• Ahmad ibn Sulayman al-Muqtadir (1049-1082). Son of Sulayman.
• Yusuf ibn Ahmad al-Mutamin (1082-1085). Son of Al-Muqtadir.
• Al-Mustain II, Ahmad ibn Yusuf (1085-1110)

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taifa_of_Zaragoza

During the first part of this period (1013–1038), the city was ruled by the Arab Banu Tujib tribe. They were replaced by the Arab Banu Hud rulers, who had to deal with a complicated alliance with El Cid of Valencia and his Castilian masters against the Almoravids, who managed to bring the Taifas Emirates under their control. After the death of El Cid, his kingdom was conquered by the Almoravids, and by 1100 they had crossed the Ebro into Barbastro, which brought them into direct confrontation with Aragon.

The Banu Hud stubbornly resisted the Almoravid dynasty and ruled until they were eventually defeated by the Almoravids in May 1110. The last sultan of the Banu Hud, Abd-al-Malik, and Imad ad-Dawla of Saraqusta, were forced to abandon the capital. Abd-al-Malik allied himself with the Christian Aragonese under Alfonso I of Aragon and from then on the Muslim soldiers of Saraqusta served in the Aragonese forces. Soon afterwards (1118) a good deal of the old taifa, including the city of Zaragoza, was conquered by the Christian kingdom of Aragon, and remained in Christian hands thereafter.

Cawley's Medlands cites:

[99] Fagnan, E. (trans. & ed.) (1893) Histoire des Almohades d'Abd el-Wahid Merrakechi (Algiers) ("Abd el-Wahid Merrakechi"), p. 50.

[645] Abd el-Wahid Merrakechi, p. 61.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%27Abd_al-Wahid_al-Marrakushi

ʿAbd al-Wāḥid ibn ʿAlī al-Tamīmī al-Marrākushī (Arabic: عبد الواحد المراكشي; born 7 July 1185 in Marrakech, died 1250)[citation needed] was a Moroccan historian who lived during the Almohad period.

(does not list this book)

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k62251820

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k62251820/f77.item (page 61)

Je vais dire ici leurs noms et les régions dont ils s'étaient rendus maîtres, en observant la brièveté à laquelle je me suis engagé, car si je m'étendais sur l'histoire et la vie de chacun d'eux et sur les vénements qui les concernent, cet ouvrage cesserait d'être un sommaire pour devenir un traité développé. Ce qui d'ailleurs m'a empêché d'écrire toute leur histoire ou celle de la plupart d'entre eux, c'est le petit nombre des livres que j'ai eus à ma disposition et la confusion de presque tous mes souvenirs.

Dans la région septentrionale (2), nous citerons tout d'abord Soleymân b. Hoûd ; il prit le surnom de Mou'tamin, son fils celui de Mok'tadir, et son petit-fils celui de Mosta'în. De ce côté, les Benoû Hoûd possédaient Tortose et ses dépendances, Saragosse et ses dépendances, Fraga (Efragha), Lérida et Calatayud (K'al'at ayyoub).

Toutes ces villes sont maintenant au pouvoir des Francs et appartiennent au prince de Barcelone, que Dieu confonde 1 Elles constituent ce qu'on appelle l'Aragon, qui

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finit à la limite extrême du royaume de Barcelone, du-côté de la France.

Google translation to English:

I will mention here their names and the regions they conquered, observing the brevity to which I have committed myself, for if I were to dwell on the history and life of each of them and on the events that concern them, this work would cease to be a summary and become a comprehensive treatise. What prevented me from writing their entire history, or that of most of them, was the small number of books I had at my disposal and the confusion of almost all my memories.

In the northern region (2), we will first mention Soleyman b. Hud; he took the nickname Mu'tamin, his son Mok'tadir, and his grandson Mosta'in. On this side, the Benou Houd possessed Tortosa and its dependencies, Zaragoza and its dependencies, Fraga (Efragha), Lleida, and Calatayud (K'al'at ayyoub).

All these cities are now under the power of the Franks and belong to the Prince of Barcelona, ​​may God confound him. They constitute what is called Aragon, which

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ends at the extreme limit of the Kingdom of Barcelona, ​​on the French side.

I realize he's almost a contemporary, but he calls "himself" somewhat unreliable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aljafer%C3%ADa

The Aljafería Palace (Spanish: Palacio de la Aljafería; Arabic: قصر الجعفرية, tr. Qaṣr al-Jaʿfariyah) is a fortified medieval palace built during the second half of the 11th century in the Taifa of Zaragoza in Al-Andalus, present day Zaragoza, Aragon, Spain. It was the residence of the Banu Hud dynasty during the era of Abu Jaffar Al-Muqtadir. The palace reflects the splendor attained by the Taifa of Zaragoza at its height. It currently houses the Cortes (regional parliament) of the autonomous community of Aragon.[1] ...

The construction of the palace, mostly completed between 1065 and 1081,[4] was ordered by Abú Ja'far Ahmad ibn Sulaymán al-Muqtadir Billah, known by his honorary title of al-Muqtadir (the powerful), the second monarch of the Banu Hud dynasty, as a symbol of the power achieved by the Taifa of Zaragoza in the second half of the 11th century. The Emir himself called his palace "Qasr al-Surur" (Palace of Joy) and the throne room in which he presided over receptions and embassies "Maylis al-Dahab" (Golden Hall) as is testified in the following verses written by the Emir:

• Oh Palace of Joy!, Oh Golden Hall!
• Because of you, I reached the maximum of my wishes.
• And even though in my kingdom I had nothing else,
• for me you are everything I could wish for.

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French Wikipedia translated:

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_Ier_al-Muqtadir

Ahmad ibn Sulayman, of his full name Abu-Jafar Ahmad ibn Sulayman al-Muqtadir bi-llah, who took the honorary nickname of al-Muqtadir ("the powerful [grace to God)") and known as Ahmad I al-Muqtadir (born on an unknown date - died in 1082) is Houdides the second leader of the dynasty taïfa de Saragosse. It reigned from 1049 to 1081.

Al-Muqtadir gathered under his control the territories of his father, dispersed between his brothers after the death of his father, al-Musta'in Ier.

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Musta%27in_Ier

Sulayman ibn Muhammad (Arabic: ), of his full name Abu-Ayyub Sulayman ibn Muhammad ibn Hud al-Judhami al-Musta'in (Arabic: )), who took the honorary title Banu Hudof al-Musta'in ("the one who implores" He ruled from 1039 to 1047.

Birth name: Abu-Ayyub Sulayman ibn Muhammad ibn Hud al-Judhamy al-Musta'in

Family and descendants

Sulayman al-Musta'in I erhas five known sons:

• Ahmad ibn Sulayman (?-1082), who takes the honorary title of al-Muqtadir ("mighty by the grace of God"), Ta'fa king of Saragossa;
• Yusuf ibn Sulayman, who takes the honorary title of al-Muzaffar ("the victor"), Taif king of Leriada;
• Muhammad ibn Sulayman, Taif king of Calatayud;
• Lubb ibn Sulayman, Taif king of Huesca;
• Mundir ibn Sulayman, Taif king of Tudela.

Can we simplify names?

1) al-Mutamin or al-Musta'in (d. 1046), founder of Banu Hud. (Wikiepdia & Medlands name differently, but it's the same person). 1st taifa of Zaragoza.

Succeeded by:

2) al-Muqtadir (d. 1081) built the palace of Aljaferia. 2nd taifa of Zaragoza

Succeeded by:

3) al-Mu-taman (d.1085) the mathematician, 3rd taifa of Zaragoza

To phrase it another way:

http://www.balagan.org.uk/war/iberia/0711/rulers_muslim.htm

Zaragoza (Sarakusta)

Rulers

• Banu Tujibi (1018-1039). Local bosses who kept control.
  • Al-Mundhir I ibn Yahya al-Tujibi (1018-1021)
  • Yahya ibn al-Mundhir (1021-1029)
  • Al-Mundhir II ibn Yahya ibn al-Mundhir (1029-1039)
  • Adb Allah ibn al-Hakam al-Tjibi (1039)
• Banu Hud (1039-1110). A rival local family took over.
  • Al-Mustain I, Sulayman ibn Hud al-Judhami (1039-1049)
  • Ahmad ibn Sulayman al-Muqtadir (1049-1082). Son of Sulayman.
  • Yusuf ibn Ahmad al-Mutamin (1082-1085). Son of Al-Muqtadir.
  • Al-Mustain II, Ahmad ibn Yusuf (1085-1110)
• Conquered by Murabitun (1110-1118).
• Conquered by Aragonese (1118).

I don't think any deleting or merging is now necessary, it's name cleanup.

The 1st in the line Suleyman does have a source attached to profile:

https://media.geni.com/p14/45/10/dc/2e/534448674dfb3aa0/sulayman-b-hud_original.png?hash=461cf82787977dc8539301a74e2d24249d1e1e73fd5e46fdb1ef79bbd2a05978.1748588399

It's what I translated from the French above, and what Medlands uses:

From Abd el-Wahid Merrakechi:

• In the northern region (2), we will first mention Soleyman b. Hud; he took the nickname Mu'tamin,
• his son Mok'tadir, and
• his grandson Mosta'in.

And from French Wikipedia, and not discussed at Medlands:

Sulayman al-Musta'in I has five known sons:

1. Ahmad ibn Sulayman (?-1082), who takes the honorary title of al-Muqtadir ("mighty by the grace of God"), Ta'fa king of Saragossa;
2. Yusuf ibn Sulayman, who takes the honorary title of al-Muzaffar ("the victor"), Taif king of Leriada;
3. Muhammad ibn Sulayman, Taif king of Calatayud;
4. Lubb ibn Sulayman, Taif king of Huesca;
5. Mundir ibn Sulayman, Taif king of Tudela.

One more - this is the Spanish source, attached, in a google translation to English. I am excerpting.

Historia Hispanica (used search screen)

https://historia-hispanica.rah.es/biografias/223-sulayman-b-hud

Sulayman b. Hūd: Abū Ayūb Sulaymān b. Muhammad b. Hūd al-Ŷuḏāmī al-Musta'īn bi-Allāh ?, fs

King of Taifa

Biography

This figure led the Banū Hūd clan, so important in the historical development of al-Andalus, to occupy the throne in the territories of the former Upper March. His career is typical of the situation in the Iberian Peninsula in the 11th century, as he went from being a prominent official in the Cordoban state to ruling a kingdom at the time of its collapse, in conflict with other military leaders with similar aspirations.

The Banū Hūd come from a Yemeni lineage, from the Ŷuḏām tribe, who settled in the Iberian Peninsula at the time of the conquest, with the ŷund (armies) of Palestine and Jordan, with main settlements in Sidonia, Algeciras, Seville and Tudmir. Like other Arab lineages, they maintained a privileged position in the Umayyad State, taking part in the administration of the state throughout the 9th and 10th centuries.

Sulayman began his career in the service of the Caliphate of Cordoba, holding important military posts in the Upper Frontier ( al-ṯagr al-a'là ), including leading the battles against Sancho III the Great of Navarre. In 1016 he was governor of the stronghold of Tudela, under the orders of al-Munḏir al-Tuŷībī, and had the opportunity to serve the nearby Christian rulers during the embassy that Castile sent to the Count of Barcelona at this time. He was present at some of the most important battles between the Umayyad claimants supported by the Arabs and those supported by the Berbers, commanding the soldiers sent by the commander of the Upper Frontier, al-Munḏir al-Tuŷībī. Ibn 'Iḏārī relates an anecdote concerning the Battle of Granada, in which 'Abd al-Raḥmān IV al-Murtaḍà succumbed: in it, Sulaymān reproaches some fleeing warriors for their cowardice, which caused the flight of a good part of the army, resulting in the defeat in the year 1018. After this battle he seems to have also taken over the government of Lérida, possibly without abandoning Tudela. Afīf Turk considers the dissensions between Sulaymān and al-Munḏir after the Battle of Granada probable. ...

....In 1041 he mediated in the conflict between 'Abd al-'Azīz, king of Valencia, and Mujahid, king of the taifa of Denia, achieving an end to hostilities between the two and marrying one of Sulayman's daughters to the king of Denia. This matrimonial policy of links with the taifas of the Levant was subsequently continued by the other Hudíd kings , and resulted in facilitating the expansion of their power in the area, which they eventually annexed Denia itself.

Between 1043 and 1045, war broke out between Sulaymān al-Musta'īn and the king of the Taifa of Toledo, as some inhabitants of Guadalajara recognized the former and others the latter. During a time of power vacuum in Toledo due to the succession to the throne, Sulaymān's son, Ahmad b. Sulaymān, heir to the throne of Zaragoza with the surname al-Muqtadir, occupied this town. The attempted counterattack carried out by Yahya b. Ḏī l-Nūn of Toledo ended disastrously, as Ahmad not only repelled him from Guadalajara but also besieged him in Talavera, although an order from his father forced him to withdraw. A group of dissidents, members of the royal family of Toledo, played a significant role in the Zaragoza army's raids. They guided the enemy forces to harm the king and facilitate his dethronement, but they failed to achieve this. ...

.... To strengthen his family's hold on the kingdom, which was threatened by other claimants and the greed of other petty kings, he placed his sons in charge of the kingdom's main cities and strongholds: Muhammad in Calatayud, Lubb in Huesca, Tudela in al-Mundir, and Lérida in Yusuf al-Muaffar. His heir, Ahmad, remained with him at court, succeeding him after his death. Appointing close relatives to govern the main cities in their domains was common among taifa kings, from Seville to Zaragoza and Toledo.

Although this distribution had the virtue of establishing the dynasty in the dominion of the region, it also caused a great number of problems, because after the death of Sulaymān his brothers rebelled and did not recognize Ahmad, who adopted the appellation of al-Muqtadir bi-Allāh (Mighty thanks to God) and who finally rebuilt the unity of the kingdom, although at the cost of great destruction in the region and a huge outlay of money, which left the kingdom's coffers exhausted.

Sulayman b. Hud died in 438 AH (1046–47), and despite the brevity of his reign, he left behind one of the longest-lasting dynasties in Islamic Spain, which even provided the last ruler of al-Andalus in the 13th century and elsewhere before the creation of the Kingdom of Granada and the fall of the great cities of the Guadalquivir Valley to the Kingdom of Castile.

Sharon Doubell'

I think we need to show both nicknames - al-Mustain I & also 'Mutaminin' in the profile for Sulayman ibn Hud's (d.1046/1047).

Sulaymán ibn Hud al-Mustain I 'al-Mutamin', rey de Lérida y Zaragoza

Otherwise we risk continued confusion with the Spanish & Arabic sources, which is, I think, how most people will find him.

I have not seen the "al-Judhami" nickname in a scholarly source so put it in AKA.

I did add to Suleyman, using add a field:

Regnal name: al-Mustaʿin bi-Illah ('He who looks for help to God')

Al-Mustaʿin bi-Illah" translates to "He who seeks help from God" or "The one who relies on God". It is a title used by various rulers throughout Islamic history, signifying their reliance on divine assistance.

I'll look at the different generations Mustain ll's

Nice!

You're quoting from

Kennedy, Hugh. Muslim Spain and Portugal: A Political History of al-Andalus. (Publication: 06-12-1966).
Page 136. "The Taifa Kingdoms." < Archive.Org >

This is the first study in English of the political history of Muslim Spain and Portugal, based on Arab sources. ...

In the chaos, power was seized by Sulayman b. Hud. Sulayman came from a family which claimed descent from the Arab tribe of Judham. Like al-Mundhir al-TujIbi, he had risen in the army of al-Mansur, and when the caliphate collapsed, he took over Tudela and Lleida. He had also acquired a reputation as a warrior against Sancho the Great of Navarre and when he arrived in Zaragoza, ostensibly to avenge the assassinated al-Mundhir al-Tujibi, he was widely welcomed. He and his family soon acquired a firm grip on the Taifa, and he installed his sons as governors in Zaragoza, Calatayud, Huesca, Tudela and Lleida. The Tujibis disappeared from the scene and it was the Hudids who were to rule the Taifa until its annexation by the Almoravids in 1110. (13)

13. Ibn al-Kha^, A‘mdly pp. 198-204; Ibn Idhari, Al-Baydn, iii, pp. 175-81, 2215; A. Turk, ‘El reino de Zaragoza en el siglo XI de Cristo’, in Revista del Instituto de Estudios Islamicos en Madrid 17(1972-73), 7-122, and 18 (1974-75), 7-74; Wasserstein, Party Kings, pp. 93-4; Viguera Molins, Los Reinos de Taifas, pp. 72-80.

The Arabic سليمان بن محمد بن هود الجذامي)

Translate as:

Sulayman ibn Muhammad ibn Hud al-Judhami

His son, أبو جعفر أحمد "المقتدر بالله" بن سليمان, translates as

Abu Jafar Ahmad “al-Muqtadir Billah” ibn Sulayman

Which make me crazy because I want to see the order:

Given name
patronym
nickname
title

So is Sulayman the son of Mohammad, son of Hud, from the al-Judhami?

Private User - one thing to keep in mind is that the names are already getting so long that the tree view is truncating them. Maybe consider moving the suffix titles, which are in Spanish, which wasn't used then anyway, to a separate "add a field."

Using a grandfather patronym also is not how we generally do it also in the name fields. It makes profiles hard to read, and it turns out, a lot of the names are "honorary". We can use "add a field" for those also.