Ann Morgan (Hopkins) - Spouses and Children

Revisiting this after an article I just attached under the Media tab of

Zachariah Morgan

The article was published in 2009 and states that the theory that this Zachariah was the illegitimate son of Hanna (Morgan) West and John Benton has been proven to be false, stating that DNA has proven Zachariah to be a biological Morgan.

I'm just sharing the article for whatever light that may shed on the family connections.

In light of the above referenced article, I Googled Zachariah Morgan and Mary Holt and found this:

https://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/morgan/14025/

Zachariah Morgan m. Polly Holt - DNA Test
By Terry Morgan July 26, 2003 at 06:23:44
I am a descendant of Zachariah Morgan b. abt 1774 who married Mary Polly Holt and settled in Clay County Kentucky around 1810. He was my ggg grandfather. There has been a lot of speculation about who his parents were. The most prominent theory is that he was the illegitemate son of Hannah Morgan West and a man named John Benton, which would mean (if I understand all of this DNA stuff correctly) that a male descendant of his should match a y-chromosome DNA test with a male Benton ancestor, not a Morgan ancestor. Two months ago, I submitted a DNA sample for testing. The results are quite interesting. I have two exact matches, both Morgan, not Benton. One match is with a man who was born in 1821 in South Carolina. This is possible, even under the Morgan/Benton theory, since this man was born at a time that could have made him the son or grandson of Zachariah. Zachariah had a son by this man's name that we do not know much about and it is a fact that Zachariah spent time in SC. The other match however, was with a man reportedly born in Wales in 1750. The match indicates that I have a common male ancestor with this person. If Zachariah was born in 1775, twenty-five years after this person, wouldn't it be impossible for Zachariah's father to have been John Benton? Apparently, his father was a Morgan, but his mother was also a Morgan, Hannah Morgan West. Very confusing.

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I also found this:

https://yeahpot.com/morgan/zachariah.php

which lists Zachariah's father as David Morgan who was probably related to Hannah and fits with the DNA info shared by descendant Terry Morgan in his post.

Continued searching results in additional info from the above-referenced Terry Morgan regarding the DNA evidence and other info about the lineage of this particular Zachariah Morgan. I've attached it under the Media tab as well.

I decided to see if any of the atDNA matches to Zachariah showing on Wiki are among my Ancestry matches. I didn't find any that I show a DNA match with, which is interesting, so I'll have to check our Gedmatch kits to show if we match on that site.

One of the Wiki atDNA matches for Zachariah does show a tree with Zachariah as the son of John Morgan and Hannah Morgan. John shows in her tree as a descendant of this John Morgan:

John Morgan

who is a descendant of the Edward Morgan descendant Terry Morgan referenced in one of his posts about believing Zachariah to be a possible descendant of Edward's.

Sir Edward Morgan, Lt. Gov. of Jamaica

Interestingly, Geni shows Edward's Y-DNA haplogroup as I2b1. Terry Morgan who was posting about the connections and the DNA evidence didn't provide his haplogroup, but the Morgan Y-DNA group on FTDNA shows Zachariah as I-M253. My own line from Col. Morgan Morgan shows in that group as R-M269.

So I searched and found that M253 is I1, and M223 is I2b1.

https://sites.rootsweb.com/~villandra/McKinstry/DeepHistory.html

and from there it's all over my head. lol

https://www.geni.com/projects/I-M253-Y-DNA/34605

does show I2a2a - I-M223 (formerly I2b1)

as a subclade of I under I1 - I-M253. So, I think that means those two are related variations under a common umbrella.

If the person who listed their ancestor as Morgan Morgan from Wales in the Y-DNA group has his info correct and that branch is R-M269, then that branch seems to be unrelated to the other two as it doesn't show up on the pages where they are listed.

You'd 'think' (or I did) that all Morgans from Wales must be 'somehow' related, but it appears that may not be the case, which would explain why I don't have a DNA match on Ancestry with any of the atDNA matches on Zachariah's Wiki page.

However, no one in the FTDNA Morgan Y-DNA group is listed with haplogroup I2b1 and I wasn't able to match any of the Edward Morgans on their list with the one referenced in this discussion.

Zachariah, however, is on the list and shows:

Zachariah Morgan, b.c. 1776, NC Unknown Origin I-M253
Zachariah Morgan, b.c. 1770-75m Clay Co., Ky Wales I-M253

and my Morgan Morgan shows as:

Morgan Morgan ,1688 Glamorganshire Wales Wales R-M269

Y-DNA test results of male descendants of Zachariah seems to be the only way to sort out which Morgan branch he is from, if Terry and other are correct that he was a biological Morgan, not a Benton.

Geni shows Hannah's father as Charles Morgan from Chatham County, which the info shared from Terry Morgan refutes, stating that two Hannahs have been confused:

Charles Morgan, of Chatham County

In any case, since I was on the Y-DNA site, they show for Charles of Chatham:

Charles Morgan b ca 1720 d. 1787 Chatham Co., NC Unknown Origin R-M269

So even if Charles was Hannah's father, that wouldn't be on Zachariah's paternal line which appears to be completely different. Charles is, however, the same haplogroup as my line - if the info on the site is correct.

Ancestry has Census records from SC showing Hannah there and her date of birth as 1755:

1800PendletonSCFrontPage
Date submitted 12/29/2007
Description The first page of the 1800 Pendleton Dist. S. C. Census, description of ages in households.
Submitted by Hughes_Konishi
Attached to Hannah Morgan-West
Birth 1755
Death Bef.1850

HannahWest1800SCCensus
Date submitted 12/29/2007
Description Head of Household- Hannah Morgan-West 1 male up to the age of 10 1 male up to the age of 26 2 females up to the age of 16 1 female up to the age of 45 and over- Hannah Morgan-West Including her first son- Zacheriah Morgan
Submitted by Hughes_Konishi
Attached to Hannah Morgan-West
Birth 1755
Death Bef.1850

Some Ancestry trees show her born in SC and two trees show her father as a James Morgan and his wife's first name as Eleanor.

The tree I referenced in a previous post where it shows Zachariah descended from Edward Morgan, that connection is via Zachariah's supposed father John Morgan. No parents are shown for Hannah. That tree shows Zachariah's father as:

John Morgan Jr
B:1750 Granville County, North Carolina, USA
D:1765 Benton, Marshall, Kentucky, USA

and the info on Hannah as:

Hannah Morgan
B:Bet. 1739–1748 Pendleton, Anderson, South Carolina, United States
D:1849 Bullskin Creek, Clay, Kentucky, United States

Anyway, just sharing info that I came upon today as the result connecting a cousin into my tree who I'm related to on my branch of the Morgan lines and thought I'd see if we connect on Zachariah's line since she's also his descendant. I had 'assumed' her two Morgan lines were likely related and, therefore, I'd connect to both. I didn't solve the mysteries of those connections, just found info worth sharing.

What a confused mess! I'm supposedly descended from this Susan Morgan through her daughter Sarah Elinor Rider Morgan (b. Circa 1655 Anglesea, Wales, d. Circa 1720 at age ‎~65 New Castle, Delaware‏).

If she's not the daughter of Susan Morgan and Sir Charles Morgan, of Tredegar (as they have her on MyHeritage.com), then who is she?

I wish I had a mind for genealogy; I have a good mind for several other things but not this, unfortunately.

Here's what MyHeritage has for Sarah Elinor Foulke (born Morgan):

https://www.myheritage.com/research?s=272878491&action=query&am...