Martha Gannung (Denman) - Please provide an authoritative source proving Martha Gannung is the daughter of John and Sarah Denman of Newtown, NY.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/19164014/mary-brooks

I don't know who on Findagrave tried to associate Mary Gano Denman as the "sister" of the much younger husband of Martha "Denman" Gannung/Genung, but that claim is not only completely unfounded but utterly absurd.

https://books.google.com/books?id=UU5MAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA259&lpg...

In the Ganung family history by Leon Nelson Nichols, Jeremiah born 1671 (d. 1746-48) is rightly represented as one of the family's American progenitors. But there is no mention of him having any sister named Mary (nor any sister at all who married John Denman III), nor is Jeremiah's wife Martha's maiden name given at all (that I'm aware of). Nevertheless, there is no evidence whatsoever of Martha being a Denman and the sister of John Denman III. The first mention in the Genung genealogy of any Mary Genung is on the chart on page 8, where she is clearly m. to a Mr. "Day".

"[Jeremiah Genung's mother] made her will Feb. 21, 1721, as Margaret Genoung of Flushing, widow, probated March 4, 1727. Real and personal property was given to sons John (5) and Jeremiah (7), daughters Hannah Hedger (2) and Susanna Loureer (4), granddaughters Hannah Debreas and Charity Fiero. Executors, Stephen Ryder and James Clement. Witnesses, Gabriel Luff, Joel Burroughs and J. Smith."

Again, there is no evidence of Jeremiah Genung having a sister named Mary.

There are only two Denmans included in the published Genung genealogy, and both lived much later, in the 19th and 20th centuries.

This particular modern genealogical case / controversy is so strange. It appears that someone went far beyond all reasonable comprehension to disassociate John Denman III's wife Mary from the Gano family, by suggestively 'associating' her with the Genungs. I don't understand why anyone would do that, especially in light of the fact that other than in the "Denman Family History" there are no records that I'm aware of, pertaining to the daughter of Francois Gerneaux, Mary.

And this is the second major Gano family issue that concerns me, the other one being the problem of 'genealogists' (?) apparently causing the father of Mary Gano and brothers Jeremiah and Etienne (Francois Gerneaux / Francis Gano) -- to somehow disappear into thin air while being replaced by an imaginary string of Etiennes.

The third Gano genealogical problem, is the issue of Rev. John Gano, a major American Revolutionary figure, having his real father Daniel replaced by some imaginary Stephen Ganoe. History, especially family history, is too important to treat so carelessly.

I am going to try to correct these problems with this tree, particularly beginning around the issue of Martha "Denman" Gannung, and will do my best to always be correct and accurate, and to cite adequate sources for documentation. But I can't guarantee that doing so will make everyone happy.

And in the absence of help or advice about how to proceed, I shall only beg in advance forgiveness for any mistakes I might make in the process of cleaning it up. I will always be happy to correct any possible future mistakes, based on constructive criticism and good advice. But I do not intend to engage in any unfounded debates over speculative relationships that are not properly proven.

Hopefully once this is sorted out to everyone's satisfaction, some of the more historically significant profiles of the Gano family will be made into locked/restricted access master profiles, for future reference.

Good morning. In 2011 I was working on the family tree and straightened out a numbers of problems, but based on the revisions I did nothing regarding parentage. I have since moved, and most of the documentation I found went into the dumpster. You should contact the curators, as both Martha's and her parents profiles were fixed later by them, and her parents profiles are MP Master Profiles which means they have lots of documentation. Good luck

Thank you so much for the wonderful advice and encouragement, Private User. And I see that your wife is directly descended from Martha Gannung. My intention will always be to proceed carefully and thoughtfully in doing the right things for all concerned, while keeping the lines of communication open and collaborating with everyone who is knowledgeable about these families. I hope to be of some service and to do some justice to our ancestors and all of their descendants.

I might be a little slow, due to inexperience with Geni's ways of doing things and having to work only in my spare time. But once I set my mind to it I'm usually pretty good about following through on goals / tasks, regardless of how long it might take. So I hope everyone can bear with me while I take the next steps, and know that I sincerely appreciate all help and advice.

You are right about contacting the curators involved, first. I was thinking the same thing earlier today (when away from my computer, naturally). Also checking to see which profiles are MPs. Excellent, thanks again.

I double-checked my sources, studied them, and while I agree that Genung, Gannugh, and Gano all sound somewhat similar, there are a few key discrepancies disproving the claim that Jeremiah Gannugh (brother of Mary Gano, John Denman III's wife) was the same person as Jeremiah Genung/Gannung.

1. In the Genung family history, Jeremiah Genung has brothers and sisters. NONE of them are named MARY.

2. Jeremiah Genung probably isn't the same person as Jeremiah Gano, because they do not share the same siblings and parents.

3. Phonetically, Gannung/Genung is very different from Gannugh/Gano (the final G is pronounced in the former but not in the latter forms).

4. I seriously doubt that the Genung family of 17th century Flushing, Long Island is closely related to the Denman family of 17th century Newtown, Long Island. Because there is no real evidence that is the case. Although Ms. H. N. Harris stated that Mary's brother Jeremiah Gannugh was from Flushing (actually seeming to confuse him with the Genungs herself) -- nowhere else in the Denman papers or records (wills, etc.) is he connected to Flushing, NY (that I'm aware of).

5. Mary's brother Jeremiah Gannugh (not Genung) was probably living in the immediate vicinity of Newtown, where it would have been convenient for him to be the co-executor of his sister's husband's will.

6. However, I do agree that Jeremiah GENUNG's wife's name actually was Martha, as reported in the Genung family history. However Martha's maiden name is "Unknown". There isn't a shred of evidence to suggest that she really was a Denman.

I'm currently checking into the early histories of New Rochelle and Flushing, NY, hoping to shed more light on the Ganos and Genungs.

I’ve added this comment to the “about” for you:

Parents unknown. Not the daughter of John Denman, II. See attached discussion.

And locked relationships so parents can’t be reattached without going through a curator / discussion.

Keep up the documentation effort, it’s much appreciated.

Thank you, Erica Howton for the perfect follow-up. You're an outstanding role-model and teacher, much appreciated.