Query on children of Charles Edward STUART

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Edward_Stuart,_Count_Roehenstart
Charles Edward Augustus Maximilian STUART, Baron Korftt, Count Roehenstart
born May 1784
died 28 Oct 1854 Dunkeld, Scotland
father - Prince Ferdinand of Rohan 1738-1813
mother Charlotte Stuart, daughter of Charles Edward STUART
c1820 married Maria Anonietta Sofia BARBERINI (she died 20/7/1821 aged 30)
13/12/1826 married Louisa Constance Bouchier SMITH, daughter of Joseph Bouchier SMITH (she died 20/10/1853 Paris)
no children of either marriage

https://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/usbiography/s/cestewartroehe...
Charles Edward STUART
born 6 May 1784
died 28 October 1854
father - Prince Ferdinand of Rohan
mother - Charlotte STUART daughter of Charles Edward STEWART
1820 married Maria Antonietta Sofia BARBERINI (she died 1821)
1826 married Louisa SMITH
left no known descendants

https://www.historyextra.com/period/georgian/10-things-you-probably...

A biography of the self-styled Count Roehanstart (Rohan Stuart, aka Roehenstart) by George Sherburn (published in 1960), based on the subject’s private papers, sets out the extraordinary life of Charles’s secret grandson, who is buried at Dunkeld Cathedral. As Roehanstart had no children, nor, it was believed, did his sisters, there the Stuart direct (albeit illegitimate) line may have ended. But a new claimant, in the guise of Peter Pininski, has recently emerged. He claims to be the descendant of Charlotte’s eldest daughter

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Stuart-2733
Charles Edward Stuart married twice outliving both of his wives, but leaving no children or heirs

http://www.wargs.com/royal/stuart.html
Charles Edward Augustus Maximilian de REHENSTART
married 1) Maria Anroinetta Sophia BARBIERI
married 2) Louisa Constance Bouchier SMITH
no issue

https://www.jacobites.net/count-roehenstart.html
harles was killed in a coaching accident near Dunkeld in Perthshire. A wheel broke off, the coach overturned and he was thrown. Badly injured in the fall. He held on for a couple of days but died on October 28th, 1854. He was seventy. Though twice married he left no children.

http://www.jacobite.ca/essays/roehenstart.htm

Charles Edward married the daughter of a French emigré. After her death in 1821, Charles Edward married an Englishwoman; by neither of these marriages did he have any issue.

https://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/layton/2095/
Caroline Adelaide ROHAN was born in America in 1826

https://www.powells.com/book/a-court-in-exile-9780521584623

He Married and 2nd time to Louisa Constance Smith of England, they traveled the next year to America Where she had many relatives and were she gave birth to a Daughter, Caroline Adelaide Rohan, at least that is the name on her birth certificate which bears her fathers name as well! Interestingly, 2 things happened that are not explained, Louisa disappears from History and Charles Edward returns to Scotland without his Daughter

Queries
* Charles married Louisa Constance Bouchier SMITH in England on 13/12/1826
* Charles and Louisa lived in Europe and she died in 1853 in Paris
* what evidence is there that Caroline born in America is their child? Why was she left in America, when her parents went to Europe from England
* with all the interest in Charles, why has it taken 180+ years to surface? Why are there no academic papers on the topic?

nice summary Leanne

https://www.myheritage.com/person-1500341_341295451_341295451/princ...
Caroline was born 7/9/1825 Cass, Georgia, USA

https://www.myheritage.com/person-1512791_341295451_341295451/henre...
Sister Henreitta Maria STUART 1821-1865 has a photo of Infanta Antonia of Portugal, Princess of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen

https://www.myheritage.com/person-1501171_481556421_481556421/hrh-c...
Caroline Adeliade - born 1826

https://www.myheritage.com/person-2045276_356484701_356484701/princ...
Caroline born 7/9/1825 Cass Georgia

Links to all of these are Geni and each other.

Ok, so the sources are each other sites, not actual sources as yet? no paperwork.?

Only Smart Matches.

There are also problems with Henrietta Maria born 1821

Her husband James Henry Neill is on Geni with
James Henry Neill STUART
* born 1836 India
* died 1894 Ireland
There is a photo of a gravestone for James Henry born Ireland

married Henreitta Maria (1821-1865)
* 1863 Dr. Gordon Neill Monro

married Sarah Helen Peregrine (1845-1868) - daughter of Sir Charles Metcalfe Ochterlony of Ochterlony, 2nd Bt. (1817-1891) and Sarah Ochterlony (1826-1896)
* 1865 Harry
* 1866 Dr. Balfour
* 1868 Dr Charles Neill
* 1870 Ireland Julie Crawford
* 1872 Reggie James Henry
* 1874 Ireland Ethel
* Isabel Ferrar
* Willy (Lawyer)
* Jane Neill
* Jane Ellen Neill
NOTE - she died in 1868 but had children in 1870/1872 and 1874

married Hannah McCully
* 1868 James Henry
* 1870 UK Isabella Ferrar

married Brigit Henry (1852-1870)
* 1870 UK Patrick John Henry

married Isabel Gray (daughter of William Gray Burrow and Catherine Tonkin Gray
* 1870 England Julia Neill
* 1874 England Ethel Neill

married Martha Murdoch
* 1874 UK Jane Ellen Neill

Can anyone provide any supporting information around this family?

Can someone with a MyHeritage account look at the first record here: https://www.myheritage.com/names/hrh_rohan
This should be the 1870 US census where Caroline Adelaide is mentioned

More problems around Caroline Adelaide:
-Some 'sources' talk about 1825 instead of 1826. Then the child was born before the marriage.
- If she was indeed born in the USA in 1826, then when was the marriage exactly? Are there passengerlists (Ellis Island?) of the couple coming to the USA? And is the time between marriage and birth consistent?
- One of the things that was named above:

https://www.powells.com/book/a-court-in-exile-9780521584623

He Married and 2nd time to Louisa Constance Smith of England, they traveled the next year to America Where she had many relatives and were she gave birth to a Daughter, Caroline Adelaide Rohan, at least that is the name on her birth certificate which bears her fathers name as well! Interestingly, 2 things happened that are not explained, Louisa disappears from History and Charles Edward returns to Scotland without his Daughter

Same on this website:
http://kingjohn2nd.com/

They add the possibility that Louisa died in the USA, therefor claiming that the daughter was left with the family of Louisa. But she died in 1853 in Paris, not in 1826/1827! She didn;t disappear from history.
Also, is it possible to find out if Louisa actually had close family in the USA?

The 1870 census just contains her married name and age.

I looked at a lot of my.heritage trees - none contained any sources except the 1870 census. They cited Geni and Ancestry as sources.

I have detached Brigit Henry from this tree and created a new husband James Henry

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/67785244/james-henry

Looks like they have just grabbed people and modified the information slightly to make it fit.

I have attached the 1870 census to the Caroline's profile

Sarah Helen OCHTERLONY married Sir James LISTON-FOULIS

Sarah Helen Liston Foulis

I will disconnect Sarah Helen Peregrine from the OCHTERLONY family

Reggie James Henry child James Henry Wapshire is actually James Henry WAPSHIRE 1872-1937
James Henry Wapshire

Jane Ellen Neill
daughter of James Henry Neill and Martha Murdoch
is on Geni as being married to Thomas Cartwright (1850) son of John Cartwright and Hannah Cartwright

Her husband actually married in 1871 to Maria M
http://www.nathanville.org.uk/tree/b4.htm#P127
http://www.genejeannie.net/familygroups/ind845.html

I will disconnect him from this family

Private User, yes sources are just to each other, no primary or secondary sources other than the 1870 census

Really Nice Work Private User

I think this one is out of place, Jules Hercule Meriadec de Rohan-Guéméné, duc de Montbazon

i think he is meant to be Jules Hercule Meriadec de Rohan-Guéméné, duc de Montbazon

Yes, the brother of Ferdinand. They were close, but I cannot find any indication that they had a relationship

i can not either Maarten Alexander Brandts Buijs

Marie Victoire Adélaïde de Rohan, demoiselle de Thorigny, * ... 18 VI 1779 [bapt. Château de Couzières 19 VI 1779 as a dau. of Jules-Hercule, Prince de Rohan-Guéméné, and of Mlle. Grosset], + Wien 27 IV 1836 [bur. Friedhof Hietzing, Wien, 29 IV 1836],
m. (1) ... , as his fourth wife,
Paul Anthony Louis Bertrand de Nikorowicz, * ... 1751, + ... 1810 [he had m. (1) ... , Catherine Tamburmi, * ... , + ... , and had m. (2) Lwów ... 1785, Marie Anne Skrochowska, * ... , + ... , and had m. (3) ... , Johanna Bohdanowicz de Oroszany, * ... , + Krzywczyce 10 IV 1801], son of Gregory Simon de Nikorowicz and of Anna Zachariesiewicz Kopczyk,
m. (2) British Embassy, Paris, 29 XI 1823,
Corbet James d'Auvergne, * ... [1764/5], + ... [bur. Paris 5 II 1825], son of Charles d'Auvergne and of Bandinel de Melesches, adopted ... by his older half-brother Philip d'Auvergne as heir of his claim to the Duchy of Bouillon,
m. (3) Lwów ... 1826,
Jean de Pauw, * ... , + ... [he had m. (1) ... , ... , * ... , + ... ], son of ... de Pauw and of ... .
Issue by first husband (surname de Nikorowicz):
6 a. Antym Mark, * ... [bapt. Armenian-Catholic Cathedral, Lwów, 20 IV 1806], + Carlsbad [now Karlovy Vary] 16 II 1852.
Issue by second husband: none.
Issue by third husband: none.

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