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David De Lindsay, Lord of Luffness, Justiciar of Scotland

Birthdate:
Birthplace: Crawford, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Death: after circa November 12, 1246
Scotland (United Kingdom)
Immediate Family:

Son of Sir William de Lindsay, Lord of Luffness, Ercildoune and Crawford and Eleanor de Limesey
Husband of Marjorie and Marjory de Washington
Father of Walter de Lindsay; William de Lindsay, Chancellor of Scotland, Dean of Glasgow; David de Lindsay, of Crawford & Limesay, Justiciar; Alice de Lindsay and Gerard de Lindsay, 4th of Crawford
Brother of Sir William de Lindsay
Half brother of Sir Walter de Lindsay

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About Sir David de Lindsay, Lord of Luffness

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DAVID de Lindsay, son of WILLIAM de Lindsay & his wife --- (-after 12 Nov 1246). "Willelmus de Lyndessay" donated "terre mee de Cruford" to Newbattle priory by undated charter, witnessed by "David comite frater regis, David herede meo, Waltero de Lyndd"[919]. His parentage is confirmed by the undated charter under which his son "Gerard de Lyndd filius DD de Lyndd" confirmed donations made to Newbattle priory by "Willelmus de Lyndd avus meus…Dauid de Lyndd fratris mei"[920]. "David de Lyndd fili David de Lyndd" confirmed the donation of "terre mee in territorio de Crauford" made by "patre meo" to Newbattle priory, for the health of King Alexander, by undated charter[921]. "David de Lyndd" confirmed the donation of "terre mee de Cruford" made by "pater meus Willelmus de Lyndd" to Newbattle priory by undated charter, witnessed by "Waltero de Lyndd, David Quincy, Alano de Somerwille…"[922]. "…Willelmo de Lindesey…Dauid de Lindeseie…" subscribed the undated charter under which "Comes David frater regis Scottorum" founded Lindores Abbey[923]. "…Dauid de Linesei, Waltero Olifer…" subscribed the undated charter under which "Comes David frater regis Scottorum" donated "ecclesiam de Lundors…ecclesiam de Dunde…ecclesiam de Durnach" to Lindores Abbey[924]. "Malisius filius comitis Fertheth frater comitis Gilberti de Strathern" donated "Rathangothen" to Lindores Abbey, for the soul of "uxoris mee filie comitis David", by undated charter, witnessed by "Waltero Olifard, David de Lindeseia…David Olifard…"[925]. "…Rogero Avenel, Alano de Mundegumeri, David de Lindeseie, Rogero filio Glay…" witnessed the undated charter under which "Walterus filius Alani dapifer regis Scottorum" confirmed the donation of property "in territorio de Inuerwic" made to Melrose abbey by "Rogerius filius Glay et Willemus de Haskerrestun et Ricardus de Haskerrestun frater eius et Johannes filius Alani de Mundegumeri et Vicencius filius Roberti Avenel et Nicholaus filius Rollandi"[926]. "Domino David de Lindsay tunc justiciario Landonie, domino Willielmo de Lyndsay…" witnessed the undated charter under which "Maldovenus comes de Levenax" granted land "in Levenax…Buthernockis et…Kyncaith" to "Wilielmo filio Arthuri filii Galbrait"[927]. "…David de Lindes…" witnessed the charter dated 5 Feb 1241 under which Alexander II King of Scotland confirmed the rights of Scone Abbey over "duas acre in territorio de Scona ubi molendinum…"[928]. "…David de Lindesay justiciario Laudonie…" witnessed the charter dated 12 Nov 1246 under which Alexander II King of Scotland confirmed a donation to Scone Abbey made by "Rogerus de Queinci comes Wintonie"[929].

m MARJORY, [illegitimate daughter of DAVID of Scotland Earl of Huntingdon & his mistress ---] (-[after 1241]). "DD de Lyndes filius DD de Lyndes" donated revenue to Dunfermline abbey with "matri mee" by undated charter witnessed by "domina Margeria de Lyndeseya…"[930]. This document suggests that Marjory lived during the later years of the life of her son David, who died in 1241. The proofs relating to the claim to the Scottish throne in 1291 made by her great grandson "domini Roberti de Pinkeny" name "Margareta" as daughter of "Henr patre Regis Willi" but do not name her husband[931]. If the hypothesis about Marjory’s date of death is correct, this alleged parentage is impossible from a chronological point of view. Balfour Paul suggests that she may have the daughter of one of the sons of David Earl of Huntingdon who are named Henry[932]. However, this suggestion appears to place her birth somewhat late, considering that her son David was already married when he died in 1241. She is shown here as the possible daughter of David Earl of Huntingdon, but that is only a suggestion.

David & his wife had five children:

1. DAVID de Lindsay (-before [15 Apr] 1241). "David de Lyndd fili David de Lyndd" confirmed the donation of "terre mee in territorio de Crauford" made by "patre meo" to Newbattle priory, for the health of King Alexander, by undated charter[933]. "David de Lyndeshey filius David de Lyndeshey" confirmed the donation of "terre mee in territorio de Crauford" to Newbattle priory, for the soul of "Willi fratris mei", by undated charter witnessed by "…Waltero de Lindesey fratre meo…"[934]. "DD de Lyndes filius DD de Lyndes" donated revenue to Dunfermline abbey with "matri mee" by undated charter witnessed by "domina Margeria de Lyndeseya…"[935]. "David de Lyndeseia filius David de Lydeseia" donated revenue to Dunfermline monastery by undated charter witnessed by "…dña Margeria de Lyndeseya…"[936]. m as her first husband, CHRISTIANA de Limesey, daughter of --- (-after [25 Jun] 1241). Her family origin and marriage are indicated by a document dated to [1225/26] which records that "the heirs of Amabilis de Limesi owe...of her fine not to be compelled to marry”, that “Hugh de Oddingseles and Basilia his wife” owe a debt, and that “David son and heir of David de Lindesi, who has one of Amabilis’s sisters” owes part[937]. A document dated to [15 Apr] 1241 records that "Christiana widow of David de Lindesye, who had a writ for her dower versus Gerard de Doddingeseles in Bradefelde...is not present”[938]. Christiana married secondly ([Apr/13 May] 1241) Robert de Pinkeney. The marriage is indicated by the following document, assuming that “Bradewelle” is the same as “Bradefelde” which is named in the document dated [15 Apr] 1241. "Robert de Pinkeny and Cristiana his wife” sued several individuals concerning rights of land, including “Simon the clerk of Bradewelle” relating to land “in Bradewelle in Oxfordshire which...they claim as Cristiana’s dower”, dated 13 May 1241[939]. The marriage is also indicated by a document dated 16 May 1241 which records a claim by "Robert de Pinkeny and Cristiana his wife” against “Gerard de Oddingeseles”[940], who is also named in the [15 Apr] 1241 document. "Robert de Pinkeny and Cristiana his wife” sued “Henry de Pinkeny” relating to land “in Whichinton which...they claim as Cristiana’s dower”, dated [25 Jun] 1241[941].

2. GERARD de Lindsay (-1249). "Gerard de Lyndd filius DD de Lyndd" confirmed donations made to Newbattle priory by "Willelmus de Lyndd avus meus…Dauid de Lyndd fratris mei" by undated charter[942]. "…Dño Gerardo de Lindeseya…" witnessed the undated charter under which "Johannes de Scot comes Cestrie et de Huntedon" confirmed the donations to St Andrew’s priory made by "pater noster comes David", undated but presumably dated to soon after his father’s death (in 1219)[943]. A document dated to 1241 records "Gerard de Lindesi brother and heir of David de Lindesi [owes] 50 l for his relief”[944].

3. WALTER de Lindsay . "David de Lyndeshey filius David de Lyndeshey" confirmed the donation of "terre mee in territorio de Crauford" to Newbattle priory, for the soul of "Willi fratris mei", by undated charter witnessed by "…Waltero de Lindesey fratre meo…"[945]. m CHRISTIANA Hose, daughter of JOHN Hose & his wife ---. Her parentage and marriage are confirmed by the undated charter under which her son "Walterus de Lyndesay miles filius et heres quondam Christiane Hose et Matildis soror eiusdem Christiane, heredes quondam domini Johannis Hose militis" confirmed the donation of "ecclesie de Cragyn" to Paisley monastery[946]. One child:

a) WALTER de Lindsay . "Walterus de Lyndesay miles filius et heres quondam Christiane Hose et Matildis soror eiusdem Christiane, heredes quondam domini Johannis Hose militis" confirmed the donation of "ecclesie de Cragyn" to Paisley monastery by undated charter[947].

4. WILLIAM de Lindsay (-before 1241). "David de Lyndeshey filius David de Lyndeshey" confirmed the donation of "terre mee in territorio de Crauford" to Newbattle priory, for the soul of "Willi fratris mei", by undated charter witnessed by "…Waltero de Lindesey fratre meo…"[948].

5. ALICE de Lindsay (-[1252/54]). "Henry de Pinkeny, who had married Alicia sister and heir of Gerard de Lyndesi in the moiety of the barony of Lymesy” swore homage to King Henry III, dated 10 Apr 1249[949]. The proofs relating to the claim to the Scottish throne in 1291 made by "domini Roberti de Pinkeny" name "Alicia" as daughter of "Margareta", daughter of "Henri patre Regis Willi"[950]. m HENRY de Pinkeney Lord of Wedon-Pinkeney, son of ROBERT de Pinkeney & his wife Aiglene --- (-before 16 May 1254). A writ after the death of "Henry de Pinkeny alias de Pynkeny", dated "2 Jul 38 Hen III", and later inquisitions, record that "Henry his son aged 26 and more is his heir" and refer to "Barton, 10 marks land held of Sir Henry de Hastinges in free marriage, which the deceased gave to Alice his daughter"[951].

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SIR DAVID DE LINDSAY, Lord of Luffness and owner of Crawford, eldest son of William de Lindsay by Alienora de Limesi. He was Justiciar before 6 November 1208. 4 He confirmed his father's grant in Crawford to Newbattle and gave additional lands. 5 He was a constant witness to the charters of Kings William and Alexander n., and he witnessed the foundation charter of Lindores by Earl David. 6 He died about 1214, 7 and in 1220 his son was found co-heir to Limesi. 8 This David confirmed a charter of Sleparsfield or Slipperfield to the Abbey of Holyrood granted by Richard de Cumyn and his wife Hextilda. 9 Sir David married Marjory, 10 a member of the reigning house of Scotland, alleged by her great-grandson Sir Robert de Pinkeney, 11 named below, to have been sister of Kings Malcolm and William. This being chronologically impossible, she was perhaps a daughter of one of the two Henrys, natural sons of Earl David. She was (with her son) foundress of the Monastery of Elcho. 12 They had issue :

1. DAVID, who succeeded.

2. GERARD, heir to his brother.

3. Walter, said to have married Christian Huse, and to

have issue. 13

4. William" died s. p., supposed to be identical with the

Chancellor of Scotland of that name. 15

5. ALICIA, heiress of her brothers.

NOTES

4 Cart, of Lindores, 168 ; Acta Part. Scot., i. 68*.

5 Cart, of Newbattle, 103, etc.

6 Cart, of Lindores, 5.

7 Hot. Litt. Claus., 63.

8 Testa de Nevill., 285.

9 Haigh Hall Charters. Both charter and confirmation are now in possession of the Earl of Crawford, and that of David has a fine seal, exhibiting an eagle rising.

10 Cal. of Docs., i. 1614. n Rymer, ii. 576.

12 Cart, of Dunfermline, 107.

13 Cart, of Paisley, 233.

14 Cart, of Newbattle, 105. These Lindsays were sometimes named Limese in English Records.

15 See Crawfurd's Lives of Officers of State.

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Sir David de Lindsay, Lord of Luffness1

  • d. circa 1214
  • Last Edited=8 Mar 2011

From http://www.thepeerage.com/p10775.htm#i107741  

Sir David de Lindsay, Lord of Luffness was the son of Sir William de Lindesay and Aleanora de Limesay.1 He married Marjorie of Scotland.1 He died circa 1214.2

He was styled as Lord of Luffness.2 He held the office of Justiciar [Scotland] in 1208.1

Children of Sir David de Lindsay, Lord of Luffness and Marjorie of Scotland

  1. Sir David de Lindsay, 3rd of Crawford2 d. 1241
  2. Sir Gerard de Lindsay, 4th of Crawford2 d. 1249
  3. Walter de Lindsay2
  4. William de Lindsay2
  5. Alice de Lindsay2

Citations

  1. [S37] Volume 1, page 950. See link for full details for this source. Hereinafter cited as. [S37]
  2. [S11] Alison Weir, Britain's Royal Families: The Complete Genealogy (London, U.K.: The Bodley Head, 1999), page 195. Hereinafter cited as Britain's Royal Families.

See also Sir David de Lindsay, Lord of Luffness

DAVID de Lindsay (-after 12 Nov 1246). "Willelmus de Lyndessay" donated "terre mee de Cruford" to Newbattle priory by undated charter, witnessed by "David comite frater regis, David herede meo, Waltero de Lyndd" [Bannatyne Club (1849) Abbacie Cisterciensis beate virginis de Neubotle Chartarium Vetus (Edinburgh) ("Newbattle"), 135, p. 102]. His parentage is confirmed by the undated charter under which his son "Gerard de Lyndd filius DD de Lyndd" confirmed donations made to Newbattle priory by "Willelmus de Lyndd avus meus…Dauid de Lyndd fratris mei"[Newbattle, 143, p. 108]. Balfour Paul states that David was older son of William & his second wife [Balfour Paul The Scots Peerage, Vol. III, Lindsay, Earl of Crawford, p. 6.]. "David de Lyndd fili David de Lyndd" confirmed the donation of "terre mee in territorio de Crauford" made by "patre meo" to Newbattle priory, for the health of King Alexander, by undated charter[Newbattle, 138, p. 104]. http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTTISH%20NOBILITY%20UNTITLED.htm#...

It has usually been suggested that he married an illegitimate daughter of a member of the Scottish royal family, but there are chronological difficulties with most of the usual suggestions. If, however, she was the legitimate daughter of Margaret of Scotland by her third husband...?


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WILLIAM de Lindsay, son of WILLIAM de Lindsay & his second wife Eleanor de Limesay (-after 25 Aug 1236). Seneschal to the Steward of Scotland. "…Wilelmo de Lyndesay…" witnessed the charter dated 25 Aug 1236 under which Alexander II King of Scotland donated "tribus ecclesie de Karryc" to Paisley monastery[952]. m ---. The name of William’s wife is not known.

William & his wife had one child:

1. DAVID Lindsay (-after 1249). "……David de Lindes patr fil Willi…" witnessed the charter dated 5 Feb 1241 under which Alexander II King of Scotland confirmed a donation of "duas acras terre in territorio de Scona" to Scone abbey[953]. m ---. The name of David’s wife is not known. David & his wife had two children:

a) DAVID Lindsay (-on crusade [1268/71]). Regent of Scotland 1255. High Chamberlain 1256. "…Davide de Lindesai juniore…" witnessed the undated charter under which "Alexander senescallus Scocie" confirmed the donation to Balmerino abbey of "una terra in burgo de Perth" made by "Walterus pater meus"[954]. m MARGARET Lindsay, daughter of [WALTER de Lindsay & his wife Christiana ---]. Balfour Paul shows her parentage and marriage[955]. "Willelmus de Lyndesay miles filius quondam dni David de Lyndeshay" donated revenue to Newbattle priory, for the souls of "dni David de Lydesay patris mei et Margarete de Lyndesay matris mee", by charter dated 1293[956]. David & his wife had three children:

i) ALEXANDER Lindsay (-after 1308). The Ragman Roll names "…Phelippe de Lindeseye…Alisaundre de Lindeseye, knights" among those who swore allegiance to Edward I King of England at Berwick-upon-Tweed 28 Aug 1296[957]. m ---. The name of Alexander’s wife is not known.

Alexander & his wife had one child:

(a) DAVID Lindsay (-13 Oct 1357). "David de Lyndd dñs de Crauford filius et heres quondam dñi Alex de Lyndd" confirmed the donation "in territorio de Crauford" to Newbattle priory made by "Gerardi de Lyndd", to Newbattle priory by charter dated 1327[958].

- EARLS of CRAWFORD.

(b) BEATRICE Lindsay . Duncan Earl of Fife granted his barony of Wester Caldor to “domine Beatrice de Douglas sponse quondam domini Archibaldi” for her lifetime and after her death to “Johannis de Douglas filio suo et heredi ac heredibus suis” by undated charter[959]. m firstly ARCHIBALD Douglas, son of WILLIAM Douglas of Douglas & his first wife Elizabeth Stewart (-killed in battle Halidon Hill 19 Jul 1333). m secondly ROBERT Erskine of Erskine, son of ---.

ii) WILLIAM Lindsay (-after [1310]). Lord of Symington, Ayrshire. "Willelmus de Lyndesay miles filius quondam dni David de Lyndeshay" donated revenue to Newbattle priory, for the souls of "dni David de Lydesay patris mei et Margarete de Lyndesay matris mee", by charter dated 1293[960]. "Willelmus de Lindesay" donated property to Deer, for the souls and anniversaries of "Margarete comitisse de Bucquhan quondam sponse mee et Alisie de Lyndesay prioris sponse mee", by charter dated to [1310], witnessed by “domino Duncano Lindsay fratre meo...”[961]. m firstly ALICE, daughter of ---. A charter dated 3 Sep 1296 records petitions to King Edward I by women whose estates had been seized in Scotland, including by "Alicia uxor Willelmi de Lindesay, qui est in curia Romana…per tres annos" who requested restoration of "terras dicti viri sui quæ sunt de hereditate ipsius Aliciæ"[962]. "Willelmus de Lindesay" donated property to Deer, for the souls and anniversaries of "Margarete comitisse de Bucquhan quondam sponse mee et Alisie de Lyndesay prioris sponse mee", by charter dated to [1310], witnessed by “domino Duncano Lindsay fratre meo...”[963]. m secondly [as her second husband,] MARGARET [Comyn, widow of JOHN Ross, daughter of ALEXANDER Comyn & his wife Joanna] (-before [1310]). "Willelmus de Lindesay" donated property to Deer, for the souls and anniversaries of "Margarete comitisse de Bucquhan quondam sponse mee et Alisie de Lyndesay prioris sponse mee", by charter dated to [1310], witnessed by “domino Duncano Lindsay fratre meo...”[964]. The Complete Peerage suggests this identity of William’s second wife[965]. It is not an ideal fit. John Comyn Earl of Buchan, uncle of Margaret daughter of Alexander Comyn, died in 1308. His heir appears to have been Alice, older sister of Margaret. It is therefore unclear how Margaret could legitimately have claimed to be countess of Buchan after he died. In any case, the date of death of William Lindsay’s second wife is not known, so it cannot be stated definitely that she survived Earl John. In addition, no indication has been found of the date of death of Margaret’s first husband which could show whether the suggestion is possible. Two other possibilities present themselves. Firstly, Margaret, wife of William Lindsay, could have been an otherwise unrecorded second wife of Alexander Comyn Earl of Buchan, the father of Earl John, who died in 1290. In that case, there would have been no doubt about her right to bear the title “countess of Buchan”. Secondly, she could have been Marjory, oldest sister of Earl John, who may have asserted a claim to the earldom of Buchan after the death of her brother as the oldest surviving heir of his generation. Marjory’s known husband, Patrick Earl of Dunbar, died in 1308 so a second marriage before the [1310] charter is possible, although no indication has been found of her own date of death so it is not known whether she survived Earl Patrick.
iii) DUNCAN Lindsay (-after [1310]). "Willelmus de Lindesay" donated property to Deer, for the souls and anniversaries of "Margarete comitisse de Bucquhan quondam sponse mee et Alisie de Lyndesay prioris sponse mee", by charter dated to [1310], witnessed by “domino Duncano Lindsay fratre meo...”[966].

b) JOHN Lindsay . Chamberlain of Scotland. m DIONISIA, daughter of ALEXANDER Bene & his wife ---.

John & his wife had two children:

i) SIMON Lindsay .
ii) PHILIP de Lindsay . The Ragman Roll names "…Phelippe de Lindeseye…Alisaundre de Lindeseye, knights" among those who swore allegiance to Edward I King of England at Berwick-upon-Tweed 28 Aug 1296[967].


William de Lindsay is the son of Sir William de Lindesay and Aleanora (?).1,2

From http://www.thepeerage.com/p23116.htm#i231151

Last Edited=21 May 2007

Children of William de Lindsay

  1. William de Lindsay+ 1
  2. unknown de Lindsay 1

Citations

  1. [S37] Charles Mosley, editor, Burke's Peerage, Baronetage & Knightage, 107th edition, 3 volumes (Wilmington, Delaware, U.S.A.: Burke's Peerage (Genealogical Books) Ltd, 2003), volume 1, page 951. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 107th edition.
  2. [S37] Charles Mosley, Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 107th edition, volume 1, page 950.
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