Rhun Hir ap Maelgwn, Brenin Gwynedd

See Peter Bartrum, https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000173392791951 (February 4. 2023; Anne Brannen, curator)

See Peter Bartrum, https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000173392255904 (February 5, 2023; Anne Brannen, curator)

Please see Darrell Wolcott: The Royal Family of Gwynedd - Maelgwn Gwynedd, The Dragon of Anglesey; http://www.ancientwalesstudies.org/id166.html. (Steven Ferry, November 28, 2019.)

Please see Darrell Wolcott: The Royal Family of Gwynedd - Ancestry of Cynan Dindaethwy; http://www.ancientwalesstudies.org/id16.html. (Steven Ferry, November 29, 2019.)

Please see Darrell Wolcott: The Royal Family of Gwynedd - Elidyr Mwynfawr Contests Rhun ap Maelgwn for Gwynedd; http://www.ancientwalesstudies.org/id231.html. (Steven Ferry, December 22, 2019.)

Please see Darrell Wolcott: Anwn Dynod ap Maxen Wledig; http://www.ancientwalesstudies.org/id21.html. (Steven Ferry, February 13, 2020.)

Please see Darrell Wolcott: Hedd Molwynog or Hedd ap Alunog of Llanfair Talhearn; http://www.ancientwalesstudies.org/id61.html. (Steven Ferry, July 4, 2020.)

Please see Darrell Wolcott: Harleian Ms 3859; http://www.ancientwalesstudies.org/id129.html. (Steven Ferry, March 8, 2021.)

Please see Dr. J White-Phillips and Darrell Wolcott: Elidyr Contests Rhun ap Maelgwn - the Unanswered Questions; http://www.ancientwalesstudies.org/id277.html. (Steven Ferry, June 29, 2021.)

Please see Darrell Wolcott: Foundations of 'The Men of the North' - Part 2; http://www.ancientwalesstudies.org/id279.html. (Steven Ferry, July 9, 2021.)

Please see Darrell Wolcott: Bridei and Domlech, "Children" of Maelgwn Gwynedd; http://www.ancientwalesstudies.org/id281.html. (Steven Ferry, July 24, 2021.)

Please see Darrell Wolcott: The Interim Kings of Gwynedd's 1st Dynasty; http://www.ancientwalesstudies.org/id306.html (Steven Ferry, October 19, 2022.)

Please see Darrell Wolcott: Cynan Dindaethwy - Furter Notes; http://www.ancientwalesstudies.org/id307.html (Steven Ferry, October 21, 2022.)

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Rhun Hir ap Maelgwn

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Rhun ap Maelgwn (c.492-c.586, reigned from c.549) (Latin: Rugenus, English: Run), also known as Rhun Hir ('the Tall') was a king of Gwynedd.

Ascending to the throne of what was then the most powerful kingdom of Britain in his twenties upon the death of his father, Maelgwn Hir ap Cadwallon, from plague, Rhun soon found himself embroiled in a dynastic dispute with Elidyr Mwynfawr, a Northern Brythonic prince from the line of Strathclyde. Elidyr had married Rhun's sister, and as a result believed himself to be the proper heir to the throne of Gwynedd. Elidyr's attempted invasion of Gwynedd, proved unsuccessful, and Elidyr himself was killed in the attempt. Elidyr's cousins, Rhydderch Hael of Strathclyde and Clydno Eiten of Edinburgh, however, remained bitter rivals of Rhun and later raided and sacked Arfon (the area around Caernarfon). Raising an army from all over northern Wales, Rhun retaliated, supposedly marching unopposed through Northern Briton to the River Forth where they stayed many years. John Morris associates this invasion with the succession of Rhun's half-brother, Brude, to the throne of the Picts. Rhun reigned for another two decades, but little else is heard of him

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Rhun ap Maelgwn (c.492-c.586, reigned from c.549) (Latin: Rugenus, English: Run), also known as Rhun Hir ('the Tall') was a king of Gwynedd.

Ascending to the throne of what was then the most powerful kingdom of Britain in his twenties upon the death of his father, Maelgwn Hir ap Cadwallon, from plague, Rhun soon found himself embroiled in a dynastic dispute with Elidyr Mwynfawr, a Northern Brythonic prince from the line of Strathclyde. Elidyr had married Rhun's sister, and as a result believed himself to be the proper heir to the throne of Gwynedd. Elidyr's attempted invasion of Gwynedd, proved unsuccessful, and Elidyr himself was killed in the attempt. Elidyr's cousins, Rhydderch Hael of Strathclyde and Clydno Eiten of Edinburgh, however, remained bitter rivals of Rhun and later raided and sacked Arfon (the area around Caernarfon). Raising an army from all over northern Wales, Rhun retaliated, supposedly marching unopposed through Northern Briton to the River Forth where they stayed many years. John Morris associates this invasion with the succession of Rhun's half-brother, Brude, to the throne of the Picts. Rhun reigned for another two decades, but little else is heard of him.

King Maelgwn demanded that a distant son of one of his lords, Elphin, praise him and his court. Elphin refused, claiming his bard, Taliesin was a better bard and his wife a prettier woman than anyone the King had in his court. Taliesin knew what was happening, because he was a seer, and told Elphin's wife. Maelgwn's son Rhun went to Elphin's house to seduce his wife and prove Elphin's claims weren't true. Rhun got her drunk. When she passed out, Rhun tried to take her wedding ring off to prove her unfaithfulness; since the ring wouldn't come off, he cut off her finger. When King Maelgwn attempted to show the finger to Elphin, he pointed out that his wife cut her fingernails more often than the owner of the finger, had servants to kneed dough and never had any under her nails, and her ring was loose on her finger, and that one was tight. Taliesin had had a servant replace Elphin's wife.

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Rhun Hir King of Wales (Gwynedd)

Died : Abt. 580

Ruled c549-580s

Father Maelgwyn Hir (the Tall) King of Wales (Gwynedd)

Mother Gwallwen ferch Queen of Wales (Gwynedd)

Marriage - Perfawr ferch Rhun Princess of Britain (Ebrauc)

Children Abt. 528 - Rimo of Gwynedd Princess of Wales (Gwynedd) 

Abt. 530 - Beli ap Rhun King of Wales (Gwynedd)

Forrás / Source:

http://www.american-pictures.com/genealogy/persons/per08786.htm#0

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King of Gwynedd, Wales Rhun (The Tall, Hir) ap Maelgwn

Rhun, known as The Tall, Hir, was born about 0492 in Wales.1 The Tall, Hir's father was King of Gwynedd Maelgwn (The Tall) Gwynedd ap Cadwallon and his mother was Gwallwen verch Afallach. His paternal grandparents were King of Gwynedd, Wales Cadwallon (Lawhir, Long Hand) ap Einion and Meddyf verch Maeldaf. He had a brother and a sister, named Bridei and verch Maelgwn. He died about 0586.1

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King of Gwynedd, Wales Rhun (The Tall, Hir) ap Maelgwn

Rhun, known as The Tall, Hir, was born about 0492 in Wales.1 The Tall, Hir's father was King of Gwynedd Maelgwn (The Tall) Gwynedd ap Cadwallon and his mother was Gwallwen verch Afallach. His paternal grandparents were King of Gwynedd, Wales Cadwallon (Lawhir, Long Hand) ap Einion and Meddyf verch Maeldaf. He had a brother and a sister, named Bridei and verch Maelgwn. He died about 0586.1

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Described as a great, tall man with red-brown hair.

Source:

The book, 'The King & Queen of Great Britain'

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Rhun Hir ap Maelgwn

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Rhun ap Maelgwn Gwynedd (died c. 586), also known as Rhun Hir ap Maelgwn Gwynedd (English: Rhun the Tall, son of Maelgwn Gwynedd) was King of Gwynedd (reigned c. 547 – c. 586). He came to the throne on the death of his father, King Maelgwn Gwynedd. There are no historical records of his reign in this early age. A story preserved in both the Venedotian Code and an elegy by Taliesin says that he waged a war against Rhydderch Hael of Alt Clut and the kings of Gododdin or Manaw Gododdin. The town of Caerhun is said to be named for him, though without strong authority. Rhun also appears in several medieval literary stories, as well as in the Welsh Triads. His wife was Perwyr ferch Rhûn "Ryfeddfawr" and their son was Beli ap Rhûn "Hîr".

Rhun ap Maelgwn appears in the royal genealogies of the Harleian genealogies,[1] Jesus College MS. 20,[2] and Hengwrt MS. 202.[3] The Bonedd y Saint (English: Descent of the Saints) says that he is the ancestor of Saint Edeyrn (the Bonedd y Saint says that Edeyrn was the great-grandson of Rhun,[4] while Hengwrt MS. 202 says that he was the grandson of Rhun[5]).

[edit]War with the North

The Venedotian Code of the Welsh laws compiled by Iorwerth ap Madog in the early 13th century[6] contains a list of the privileges of the men of Arfon. Among the privileges is the right to march in the van of Gwynedd's army, and this is stated to originate from their spirited actions in a war between Rhun of Gwynedd and the Cymric Men of the North (Welsh: Gwŷr y Gogledd) from the kingdoms of Alt Clut and Gododdin or Manaw Gododdin.

Taliesin's Marwnad Rhun (English: Elegy of Rhun) also tells of the war and Rhun's death in it. In his comprehensive discussion of the works by and attributed to Taliesin, John Morris-Jones notes that the particulars of the marwnad are everywhere consistent with the historical record and nowhere inconsistent, and likely a product of the 6th century, a view shared by notable skeptics such as Thomas Stephens.[7]

The Venedotian Code says that the northern prince Elidyr Mwynfawr ap Gorwst Priodawr (English: Elidyr the Courteous, son of Gorwst Priodawr) had been slain at Aber Mewydus (now called 'Cadnant', or 'Battle Brook') in Arfon, not far from Rhun's llys (English: royal court) at Llanbeblig. Elidyr's powerful relatives in the North invaded Gwynedd in retaliation, burning Arfon in the process. The Northern host was led by Clydno Eiddin; Nudd the Generous, son of Senyllt; Mordaf the Generous, son of Serfan; and Rhydderch Hael, son of Tudwal Tudelyd.

These are all notable men of the era who are listed in the royal genealogies of the Bonedd Gwŷr y Gogledd, as is Elidyr Mwynfawr. According to one of the Triads of the Horses, Elidyr was also the husband of Rhun's sister Eurgain.[8]

Rhun then assembled an army and proceeded to the banks of the Gweryd (the banks of the River Forth or the Firth of Forth, which William Forbes Skene says was still called the 'Weryd' in 1165)[9] in the North. The final outcome is not given in the Venedotian Code, but Rhun and his army remained in the North for a considerable length of time.[10] The outcome according to Taliesin's Marwnad Rhun is the death of Rhun ap Maelgwn in battle.

The reason why Elidyr was in Gwynedd and the circumstance of his death are not known, though it is certain from their actions that his northern relatives blamed someone in Gwynedd. There are later stories that add speculations, for example by asserting that Elidyr was contesting Rhun's succession to Maelgwn Gwynedd's throne,[11] but these are nothing more than speculation.

[edit]Caerhun

Caerhun (English: Fort of Rhun) is the site of the 2nd century minor Roman fort of Canovium, situated along the Roman road between the larger Roman forts of Deva (at modern Chester) and Segontium (near modern Caernarfon). It is supposed to have been one of Rhun's strongholds, and while definitive evidence of this is lacking, it is circumstantially supported by archeological research and the antiquity of the name Caerhun.[12][13] Furthermore, it guards an important crossing of the River Conwy at Tal-y-Cafn which leads to the pass at Bwlch-y-Ddeufaen,[14] an entrance to Eryri (English: Snowdonia), the defensive heartland of the Kingdom of Gwynedd. Its military significance would certainly have been noticed by both defenders and potential aggressors.

[edit]Rhun in literature

The story of The Dream of Rhonabwy in the 12th century Red Book of Hergest is a prose literary tale where the main character travels to the time of King Arthur in a dream. There he sees the famous men from many historical eras. In a passage where 24 knights arrive to seek a truce with the famous Arthur, Arthur considers the request by assembling his counselors where "a tall, auburn, curly-headed man" was standing. Rhonaby asks who he is, and is told that he is Rhun ap Maelgwn Gwynedd, a man who may join in counsel with anyone, because there was none in Britain better skilled in counsel than he.[15]

Marwnad Rhun (English: Elegy of Rhun), once believed to be the work of Taliesin but no longer accepted as such, laments Rhun's death in battle during that War with the North.[7]

Rhun appears in two of the medieval Welsh Triads, as one of the 'Fair Princes of the Isle of Britain',[16] and as one of the 'Golden-banded Ones of the Isle of Britain'.[17]

[edit]Literary missteps

The Tale of Taliesin is a legendary story about Taliesin printed in the Mabinogion, and based in part on the forgeries of the Iolo Manuscripts by Iolo Morganwg.[18] The story tells of events where Taliesin is placed in difficult or impossible situations but invariably overcomes all obstacles, usually through feats of magic. In one passage, Maelgwn Gwynedd sends his son Rhun on a mission to seduce the wife of Elffin ap Gwyddno. However, Elffin's court bard Taliesin knew of Maelgwn's plan because he was a seer, and arranged for a servant to replace his patron's wife, to the ultimate embarrassment of his patron's opponent Maelgwn.[19]

One of the Triads mentions a certain Rhun ap Beli[20][21] (English: Rhun son of Beli) who was famed for his military exploits. The name is repeated elsewhere in medieval poetry, such as in Hywel Foel's (fl. c. 1240 – 1300) awdl lamenting the capture and imprisonment of Owain ap Gruffudd, where he likens Owain to Rhun: "Who if free, like Rhun the son of Beli, Would not let Lloegria burn his borders".[22] There is no confirming evidence that such a person existed, and it is contradicted by records such as the royal genealogies, which have Rhun as the father (not the son) of Beli. Scholars such as Thomas Stephens have concluded that this is a mistake,[22] and that the intended person was someone else.

[edit]Citations

^ Phillimore 1888:169 – 170 — the pedigree is given as: ... map Rotri map mermin map etthil merch cinnan map rotri map Intguaul map Catgualart map Catgollaun map Catman map Iacob map Beli map Run map Mailcun map Catgolaun Iauhir map Eniaun girt map Cuneda map AEtern ....

^ Phillimore 1887:87 — the pedigree is given as ... Cynan tintaeth6y. M. Rodri mol6yna6c. M. Idwal I6rch. M. Kadwaladyr vendigeit. M. Katwalla6n. M. Kad6ga6n. M. Iago. M. Beli. M. Run hir. M. Maelg6n g6yned M. Kadwalla6n lla6hir. M. Einya6n yrth. M. Kuneda wledic.

^ Phillimore 1886:133 — katwaladyr vendigeit ap katwalla6n ap katwan ap iago ap beli ap run ap maelg6n g6yned ap einion wwr ap pabo post prydein.

^ Parry 1821:201 — Edeyrn, the son of Nudd, or Lludd, ab Beli ab Rhun ab Maelgwn Gwynedd ab Caswallon Law Hir ab Einion Yrth ab Cunedda.

^ Phillimore 1886:133 — Edern ap beli ap run ap maelg6n g6yned ap katwalla6n lla6ir ap einion yrth ap kuneda wledic.

^ Lloyd 1911:342, A History of Wales, Vol. I

^ a b Morris-Jones 1918:209 – 222, Taliesin's Marwnad Rhun (Elegy of Rhun)

^ Jones, Owen; Morganwg, Iolo; Pughe, William Owen, eds. (1801), "Trioedd Y Meirch, Tri I", The Myvyrian Archaiology of Wales (Prose), II, London: Jones, Morganwg, and Pughe, p. 20; Eurgain is said to be the daughter of Maelgwn Gwynedd and the wife of Elidyr Mwynfawr in one of the Trioedd y Meirch (English: Triads of the Horses) of the Welsh Triads.

^ Skene 1868:175, The Four Ancient Books of Wales

^ Owen 1841:105, The Privileges of Arfon

^ Baring-Gould, S.; Fisher, John (1908), "S. Elidyr Mwynfawr", The Lives of the British Saints, II, London: Honourable Society of Cymmrodorion, p. 445 — for one example of many, where the authors skirt accountability by using terms such as "may have". Here, the authors claim that Elidyr may have been asserting a claim over Gwynedd because "... Rhun being, according to some genealogies, illegitimate."

^ Lysons, Samuel (1807), "Some Account of Roman Antiquities discovered at Caerhun, in Carnarvonshire, and in other Parts of that County", Archaeologia: or Miscellaneous Tracts Relating to Antiquity, XVI, London: Society of Antiquaries of London (published 1812), pp. 127 – 134

^ Anonymous (1897), "Notes on a Romano-British Shield", Journal of the British Archaeological Association, New Series, IV, London: British Archaeological Association (published 1898), pp. 83 – 86

^ Lloyd 1911:66, A History of Wales, Vol. I

^ Guest 1877:312 – 313, The Dream of Rhonabwy

^ Jenkins 1852:274, Letters on Welsh History

^ Jenkins 1852:277, Letters on Welsh History

^ Williams, Edward (Iolo Morgannwg) (c. 1810), Williams (ab Iolo), Taliesin, ed., Iolo Manuscripts, Llandovery: William Rees, 1848; see especially the "Notices of Taliesin" on pp. 458 – 459

^ Guest 1877:471 – 494, Taliesin

^ Jenkins 1852:279, Letters on Welsh History

^ Williams 1844:125 – 126, The Ecclesiastical Antiquities of the Kymry

^ a b Stephens 1849:362 – 363, Welsh Poetry from AD 1240 – 1284

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• Rhun Hir ap Maelgwn Gwynedd

born about 0515

died about 0586

father:

• Maelgwn ap Cadwallon King of Gwynedd

born about 0485

died about 0547

mother:

• Gwallwen verch Afallach

born about 0485

siblings:

unknown

spouse:

• Perwyr verch Rhun Ryfeddfawr

born about 0515

children:

• Beli ap Rhun

born about 0545

died about 0599

biographical and/or anecdotal:

A great king, tall, with red-brown curly hair. He extended his rule to the Firth of Forth and died about 586.

notes or source:

ancestry.com & HBJ

ID: I45227

Name: Rhun Hir (the Tall) KING OF GWYNEDD

Given Name: Rhun Hir (the Tall)

Surname: King of Gwynedd

Sex: M

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Birth: 508 in Wales, United Kingdom

Death: 586

Ancestral File #: HPGD-63

Reference Number: > 98 WEL

Father: Maelgwn Gwynedd alias Hir (the Tall) KING OF GWYNEDD b: 480 in North Wales

Mother: Gwallwen ferch AFALLACH b: 490 in North Wales

Marriage 1 Perwyr ferch RHUN b: 510 in Wales, United Kingdom c: in , Pennines, Britain

Children

Rimo ferch Rhun of GWYNEDD b: 531

Beli Ap RHUN b: ABT 517 in , North Wales
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King of Gwynedd, Wales Rhun (The Tall, Hir) ap Maelgwn

Rhun, known as The Tall, Hir, was born about 0492 in Wales.1 The Tall, Hir's father was King of Gwynedd Maelgwn (The Tall) Gwynedd ap Cadwallon and his mother was Gwallwen verch Afallach. His paternal grandparents were King of Gwynedd, Wales Cadwallon (Lawhir, Long Hand) ap Einion and Meddyf verch Maeldaf. He had a brother and a sister, named Bridei and verch Maelgwn. He died about 0586.1

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Rhun ap Maelgwn Gwynedd (died c. 586), also known as Rhun Hir ap Maelgwn Gwynedd (English: Rhun the Tall, son of Maelgwn Gwynedd) was King of Gwynedd (reigned c. 547 – c. 586). He came to the throne on the death of his father, King Maelgwn Gwynedd. There are no historical records of his reign in this early age. A story preserved in both the Venedotian Code and an elegy by Taliesin says that he waged a war against Rhydderch Hael of Alt Clut and the kings of Gododdin or Manaw Gododdin. The town of Caerhun is said to be named for him, though without strong authority. Rhun also appears in several medieval literary stories, as well as in the Welsh Triads.

Please see Darrell Wolcott: The Royal Family of Gwynedd - Ancestry of Cynan Tyndaethwy; http://www.ancientwalesstudies.org/id16.html. (Steven Ferry, March 27, 2017.)