Jean Hélie dit Breton

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During the French Revolution, Brittany, a French province, was divided into four departments, one of which was Morbihan, which later divided into its own four arrondissements: Pontivy, Lorient, Vannes and Ploermel.North of the town of Ploermel is a village neighbouring the town of Merdrignac in the canton of Trinité-Porhoet, with the community of Ménéac at the centre. During Elie's time, Ménéac fed perhaps one hundred people.Today, a population of more then 3,900 inhabitants find shelter here.

An old chapel dedicated to Sainte-Anne, situated near the old chateau of Riaie, is still of interest to the pilgrims of the Mother of Mary.Ménéacrelied on the episcopal authority of Saint-Malo about the year 1621, the probable year of the birth of Jean Hélie or Hely; today it is under the jurisdiction of the bishop of Vannes.

After the expiration of his servitude commitment in Canada, which lasted the usual thirty-six months, Jean Elie obtained a farm to work.

On 15 March 1669, he went to notary Paul Vachon at Beauport where Jean Iger, an inhabitant of the Ile d'Orleans and owner of three arpents of front land, was waiting for him.Iger wanted to sell this concession.In addition to the amount of forty-five livres, Jean Elie gave a wooden box worth three livres.Bailiff Jean Bourdon dit Romainville and René Chevalier, a master mason, signed the document.The purchaser did not know how to write.

The new owner went to live on his land on the Ile d'Orleans, in the future parish of Saint-Jean and it was here that Jean Elie would live his entire life in Canada.

He was about forty-eight years old, the widower of Jacquette Chorret, and the son of the late Jean Hélie and of Jeanne Musnier when he entered a second marriage contract, which was initialed by notary Romain Becquet on 5 November 1669.

Jeanne Labbé. a fille du roi, had no known family ties to our ancestor Pierre Labbé dit Lacroix, husband of Marguerite Meunier.Jeanne probably arrived in New France in the summer of 1669.On 22 October 1669, she decided to marry a certain Pierre Mercier.It was however, a short romance because she broke the engagement.This bride of Jean Elie was said to be the daughter of Charles Labbé and of Marie François, originally from St- Leu-et-St-Gilles parish, in Paris.This twenty- nine year old wife brought a dowry of two hundred livres, in addition to the gift from the King of fifty livres.Jeanne knew how to write her name.Witnesses at the marriage contract were Anne Gasnier, chaperon of the King's Daughters; François Noel, husband of a friend of the future bride; Gilles Dutartre dit Lacasse, gunsmith and the bailiff Jean-Baptiste Gosset dit DuBoisson.

On Thursday, 28 November 1669, Abbot Thomas Morel blessed this union in the church of Ste-Famille, the only one on the Ile d'Orleans at that time. The ceremony was one of greatsimplicity, with but two witnesses: Jean- Elie Gauthier and Claude Lefebvre dit Boulanger.It was a double marriage ceremony.Simon Chamberland and Marie Boisseau were married at the same time with Abel Turcot as witness.

In 1672, Jean Elie appeared three times at the home of notary Becquet: 1) to make an agreement with tinsmith François Chaussé;2) to settle a debt to woodworker Antoine Caddé; and 3) to transact a deal with Jean Amiot.

In the spring of 1676, the pig of his neighbour, Martin Poisson got loose. The animal went rooting around on Elie's property.Jean seemed to have lost his self control.A pig in his fields?It would destroy all his crops! In no time at all, the errant animal was dragged to Martin's gate, killed before his very eyes, then dumped in the river.Naturally, Poisson complained to the provost of the island, who found Jean Elie at fault. The latter appealed to the higher provost at Quebec, where he lost his case on 31 July 1676. Jean then brought his adversary before the Sovereign Council on Monday, 17 August 1676.Msgr François de Laval, the Bishop of Quebec and a member of the Sovereign Council, attended this meeting.Our ancestor Jean Elie was ordered to pay Martin Poisson for the dead pig. a two livre fine for maliciously destroying Poisson's grain filed by dragging the dead pig through it, three Livre fine for irreverence demonstrated against the court, five livres in damages and interest to Poisson and another livre for his foolish appeal...Was Jean Elie really an unreasonably irascible and cantankerous man?You can be the judge!

Did he learn his lesson?It seems not, because three days later he was again before the same court.Charlotte de La Combe, wife of Antoine Caddé, claimed that he owed her nine livres and eleven sols.Jean said his debt was only six livres!The court judged that he must pay six livres and two sols at once and the "remainder out of court". plus expenses.As far as we know, Jean Elie never went to this court again, which he felt, condemned the innocent...

JeanElie worked hard to provide for his growing family.In 1681 he was sixty years old, had five mouths to feed, seven head of cattle and ten arpents of land under cultivation.His neighbours were Martin Poisson and the surgeon René Cauchon.

When the cartographer Robert de Villeneuve drew up a map of the Ile d'Orleans in 1689, he gave the numbers 26 and 27 to the farm owned by "Jean Elie dit Le Breton", in the parish of Saint-Jean.

It is rather rare to find a family which had not been subjected to important losses caused by illness or accidents.The five children of Jean Elie all reached adulthood and produced new and numerous children which ensured the growth of the third generation.

Jeanne and Elie had five children, all born in Saint-Jean parish on the island.However, they were baptized at the church at Ste-Famille, the only one in existence at the time.They may be listed as follows.

      1. Ten days after his birth, François was baptized by Abbot Benoir- Pierre Duplain on 22 May 1672.His godfather wasFrançois Chaussé. Marguerite Provost, fille du roi and wife of Martin Poisson acted as godmother.François married Françoise Bidet, daughter of Jacques Bidet and Françoise Desfosses, on 23 September 1692. The wedding took place at Saint-Jean before Jean Brochu, René Cauchon, Pierre Dubeau and the future missionary to the Tonicas in Louisiana, the Abbot Antoine Davions. After the birth of their first child at Saint-Jean, the couple moved to La Durantaye where they were blessed with seven other children.

2.Jeanne Elie, god-daughter of Pierre Rondeau and Marie Campion, wife of Mathurin Dubé, was the first of the family to be married.She wed Jean Fradet on 12 February 1692.They had thirteen children.After Jeanne's burial at Saint-Vallier on 30 June 1715, her husband, Jean Fradet, married Marie-Marguerite Gosselin and the produced a dozen more to add to the original thirteen.
3.Pierre Elie (our ancestor) was baptized on 25 February 1676. His godparents were Pierre Filteau and Marie de Lacour.Pierre was married at the age of twenty-four to Marie-Rosalie Pépin on 5 July 1700, before six witnesses.They went to live at Saint-Michel-de-la-Durantaye and had eleven children.Rosalie died and was buried at Saint-Vallier on 23 October 1721.Pierre remarried to Marie Gromelin at Beaumont on 30 July 1722. She was the daughter of Noel Gromelin and of Marie Balan.The new mother doubled the number of children in the household.
4.Marie-Madeleine Elie was baptized on 3 August 1678.She married Louis Boutin, son of Antoine Boutin and of Geneviève Gandin, on 25 November 1698 at the church of Saint-Jean-Baptiste on the island.They had but one child, a girl who died young.After the death of Marie- Madeleine, Louis Boutin remarried to Anne-Charlotte Choret, widow of the Englishman SamuelRicosse, in November 1720.They had four children.
5.Jacques Elie was baptized at Saint-Jean - perhaps.The record has been lost.Jacques was mentioned in the census of 1681.On3 September 1715 he married Louise Cassé dit Lacasse at Beaumont.They raised twelve children on the paternal land, where Jacques had a house, barn and forty arpents of workable land.
The sum of a lifetime is the balance between gains and losses over the years.It is believed that the Breton from Ménéac and the King's Daughter from Paris had many happy days together on the island in the county of Saint-Laurent.

Jean Elie was about seventy-eight years old when he died."On 17 December 1699 was buried in the Cemetery of this parish Jean Heli dit Le Breton Who died the day before having received the last Sacraments and attended burial as witnesses Me Gabrielle thibierge and Jean Brochu Who Signed at the desire of the Ordinance. G. Courderoy C. Thibierge."

Ancestress Jeanne Labbé survived her husband by almost sixteen years. Perhaps she ended her days during a stay at the home of her sick daughter Jeanne, wife of Jean Fradet.She was buried at Saint-Vallier on 27 May 1715. Abbot Michel Poulin dit Courval presided at the funeral.

Antonio Elie, a native of Saint-Antoine-de-la-Baie-du=Febvre appears to have been the most brilliant of the descendants.Among many other career achievements, he was elected representative of the Yamaska district in 1931 and was a minister without portfolio under three different governments.His home at Baieville has been designated an historic monument.

INFORMATION SOURCE WAS"Our French-Canadian Ancestors" Volume 12, Chapter 12, pp 119 - 125.

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