Engelberga

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m (betrothed 851 before 5 Oct, [852] ) ENGELBERGA, daughter of --- (-[896/901]). "Hludowicus…imperator augustus" names "sponsam nostram Angilbergam" in a charter dated 5 Oct [860] by which he granted Campo Miliacio in the county of Modena to her[656]. Her origins are unknown. According to some secondary sources[657], she was Engelberga, daughter of Adalgis [I] Count of Parma, Duke of Spoleto [Supponidi]. Jean-Noël Mathieu highlghts that this is supported only by Count Suppo [III] being referred to in 870 as consobrinus of the emperor´s wife[658]. The origin of Empress Engelberga is discussed briefly by Odegaard, who dismisses the proposed Supponidi connection but proposes no alternative theory[659]. Some clue is also suggested by Emperor Karl III who confirmed grants to "Angilbergam…Hludouuici…imperatori consobrini nostri coniugem augustam, dilectam sororem nostram" by charter dated 23 Mar 880[660]. In addition, Emperor Karl refers to Engelberga's daughter as "neptam nostram Hermingardam…filioque suo Hludouuico nepoti nostro et sororibus eius"[661]. Jean-Noël Mathieu suggests that these references could mean that Engelberga was the uterine half-sister of the emperor, the daughter of his mother Emma by an otherwise unknown first marriage[662]. However, this assumes that "soror" and "neptis" should be interpreted in these documents in their strictest sense, although a wide variety of meaning is attributed to the terms in contemporary sources. Another possibility is that Engelberta was related to Emperor Karl III through his wife Richardis who was the daughter of Graf Erchanger (see FRANCONIA). The different possibilities are too numerous and uncertain for further speculation about Engelberga´s parentage to be worthwhile. Engelberga´s over-bearing manner triggered her arrest and that of her husband at Benevento in Aug 871, although their release was negotiated within a month by the bishop of Benevento[663]. "Hludowicus…imperator augustus" granted the abbey of San Salvatore to "nostra coniux…Angilberga ante filiam…nostrum Hermengardem" by charter dated at Venosa 28 Apr 868[664]. Suspected of supporting the usurpation of her son-in-law King Boso, she was imprisoned in a convent in Alemannia by Charles III "le Gros" King of the East Franks, but returned to Italy with his permission in Oct 882[665]. Abbess of San Sisto at Piacenza in 896.

Emperor Louis II & his wife had two children:

-http://www.treccani.it/enciclopedia/imperatrice-engelberga_(Diziona... - GELBERGA (Enghelberga, Angelberga), imperatrice. - Figlia del conte di Parma Adalgiso, consorte dell'imperatore Ludovico II, E. fu una delle sovrane più rappresentative dell'epoca carolingia. Nata probabilmente intorno all'830, apparteneva ad una delle più influenti famiglie dell'aristocrazia franca del Regno d'Italia dell'epoca di Lotario, quella dei Supponidi. ... .... ...

.... Il necrologio di S. Savino di Piacenza, che integra un elenco precedente di S. Sisto, riporta il nome di E. Sotto il 23 marzo, che rappresenta dunque, con ogni probabilità, il giorno di morte della sovrana. Poiché nel novembre dell'891 Ermengarda fece una donazione a S. Sisto in memoria di sua madre, quest'ultima dovette morire nell'890 o nell'891 (F. Neiske). ...

... ...La prima badessa, Cunegonda, era probabilmente sorella di E.; pure la seconda, che portava anch'essa il nome di Engelberga, era evidentemente imparentata con lei.

Her ancestry is unknown. The French edition of Wikipedia discusses the competing theories:

1 - Les auteurs italiens pensent que le qualificatif de soror fait référence à une parenté spirituelle et considèrent que Louis II le Germanique, père de Carloman et Charles le Gros, est parrain d'Engelberge.

2 - Maurice Chaume traduit soror par « belle-sœur » et voit dans Engelberge une sœur de Richarde, femme de Charles le Gros, et fille d'Erchanger II, comte de Nordgau

3 - Partant de la référence à Suppon, d'une affirmation de J. du Bouchet dans un texte de 1646[5] et reprenant les suppositions des auteurs italiens à propos d'une parenté spirituelle entre Louis III le germanique et Engelberge, Eduard Hlawitschka en fait une fille d'Adalgise Ier, duc de Spolète et comte de Parme en 835[6]. Cette thèse est encore officiellement admise. (=This thesis is still officially admitted.)

4 - Jean-Noël Mathieu remarque que le prénom de Willa ou Guille apparait chez une fille d'Ermengarde, que les autres quartiers connus de Willa ne permettent pas d'expliquer ce prénom que Jean-Noël Mathieu rapproche des Guilhelmides. Il reprend le qualificatif de soror de Carloman et Charles le Gros, propose qu'Engelberge soit leur sœur utérine, c'est-à-dire fille d'un Guilhelmide et d'Emma, remariée ensuite à Louis le Germanique. Sachant que ce remariage se fait en 827, il propose d'identifier le père d'Engelberge au comte Thierry d'Autun († 826), fils de Guillaume de Gellone. Mais pour expliquer la parenté avec les Supponides, il rapproche le prénom de Cunégonde, présent dans cette famille, de celui de la première épouse de Guillaume de Gellone. Les Supponides passent également pour être alliés au roi Bernard d'Italie, marié à une probable petite-fille de Guillaume. Le problème est que le comte Thierry d'Autun est traditionnellement donné comme née de Guibourg, la seconde épouse de Guillaume.

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engelberge_(femme_de_Louis_II)_

-https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engelberga_d%27Alsazia - ...Engelberga era probabilmente la figlia di Adelchi I conte di Parma e duca di Spoleto e secondo lo storico francese Christian Settipani, esperto di genealogie era cugina di Suppone III[1 ];

mentre la madre, secondo lo storico, Jean-Noël Mathieu, poteva essere, Emma di Baviera, in quanto l'imperatore Carlo il Grosso la definisce sorella[2] (dilectam sororem nostram)[3].

Allström calls her Angelberga of Spoleto (died 890), daughter of Louis the German, son of Louis I.

Other sources call her Engelberge d'Alsace, daughter of Erchanger, Count of Nordgau, and his wife Cunégonde of Italy.

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Engelberga From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Engelberga (or Angilberga, died between 896 and 901) was the wife of Louis II, Holy Roman Emperor, from 5 October 851 to his death on 12 August 875. As empress, she exerted a powerful influence over her husband. Her family, the Supponids, prospered during Louis's reign. Engelberga was probably the daughter of Adelchis I of Parma. In 868, she became abbess of San Salvatore in Brescia, a convent with a history of royal abbesses. In 896, she became abbess of her own foundation of San Sisto in Piacenza. In January 872, the aristocracy tried to have her removed, as she had not borne the emperor any sons. Instead, Louis opened negotiations with Louis the German, King of East Francia, to make him his heir. In order to sideline Engelberga, the nobility elected Charles the Bald, King of West Francia, on Louis's death. Boso V of Arles, a faithful of Charles, kidnapped Engelberga and her only surviving daughter, Ermengard. He forced the latter to marry him in June 876, at the same time he was made Charles' governor in Italy with the title of dux. With Engelberga's backing, Boso declare himself King of Provence on 15 October 879. Subsequently, Engelberga was banished to Swabia. After Charles the Fat's forces took Vienne in 882, Engelberga was allowed to return to Italy and confirmed in her possessions.

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A Wiki alemã diz abadia de S. Sisto em Piacenza. A inglesa, abadia de St. Emmeram, em Regensburg.

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