Catherine ‘Katherine’ Fox

Biography

Sir Walter Long married firstly, Mary, daughter of Sir Thomas Packington (died 2 June 1571) of Westwood, Worcestershire and Dorothy Kitson. She was on friendly terms with Elizabeth I, and gifts to the Queen from Lady Long, which included an item of 18 ounces of gilt plate, were recorded in the Jewel House records in 1588. There were two children of this marriage.

Long married secondly, Catherine, (also known as Katherine), seventh daughter of Sir John Thynne of Longleat. Long was the last of the family to own both manors of South Wraxall and Draycot together, and through the contrivances of his second wife Catherine, Sir Walter disinherited his son John from his first marriage, in favour of Walter, the eldest son from the second, but a compromise later led John to receive the estate at South Wraxall, and his half-brother received Draycot.[2]

There were at least thirteen children from the marriage of Catherine Thynne and Sir Walter Long:

1. Henry Long1 d. 1672
2. Barbara Long1 (or Mary Pakington’s daughter)
3. Mary Long1
4. Charles Long1
5. Anne Long+1
6. Henry Long1 b. c 1586, d. c 1586
7. Thomas Long1 b. c 1587, d. 1673
8. Frances Long1 b. c 1589
9. Sir Walter Long+1 b. b 1594, d. c 1637
10. Rt. Hon. Sir Robert Long, 1st Bt.3 b. 1598, d. 13 Jul 1673
11. Jane Long+1 b. c 1600
12. Dorothy Long1 b. c 1602
13. Olivia Long1 b. c 1604
14. Elizabeth Long1 b. c 1606

Sir Walter Long died in October 1610 and was buried at Draycot on 30 October 1610.

Hs widow, Dame Katherine Long, married Edward Fox on 15 November 1611, his third of four wives, and died before 14 December 1613 , when she was buried.

Another legend related by Aubrey, concerns a promise made by Catherine to her husband on his death-bed, that she would not remarry, but she soon afterwards married Sir Edward Fox, which as the story goes, caused the portrait of Sir Walter to fall from the wall the moment the bride and her new husband entered the room.

2. Burke, Sir Bernard. Anecdotes of the aristocracy. Vol. 1.

Origins

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Thynne

John Thynne married twice. Firstly, in 1549, to Christiana Gresham, a daughter of Sir Richard Gresham and a sister of Sir Thomas Gresham, founder of the Royal Exchange.[1] Their marriage settlement was signed in January 1549. By Christiana Gresham he had three sons and six [sic: seven] daughters, including:[2]

Catherine Thynne, who married firstly Walter Long (1565-1610) and secondly Hugh Fox; [NO]

2. John Thynne[unreliable source] biography at tudorplace.com.ar (accessed 15 January 2008) < link >

Comments

• Hugh Fox was not the husband of Catherine ‘Katherine’ Fox. It’s an error in web trees.
• Not the mother of Annetjike Wall which is seen at FindAGrave. Disconnected 25 November 2022.

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References

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Thynne
2. Stemmata Botevilliana: Memorials of the Families of De Boteville, Thynne, and Botfield, in the Counties of Salop and Wilts. With an Appendix of Illustrative Documents. By Beriah Botfield. J. B. Nichols and Sons, (1858) Page 31-32. < GoogleBooks > “Pedigree of Thynne, of Longleat, County Wilts.” Page 56. < GoogleBooks > 7. Catherine, wife of Sir Walter Long, of Wraxhall.
3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Long_(died_1610).
4. "Long, Sir Walter (1560–1610) of Wraxhall. Wilts". History of Parliament Biography. < link > “He [Sir Walter Long, Kt., MP] died 28 Sept. 1610. The legend that, dominated by his second wife, he was persuaded by her and her lawyer brother (Egremont Thynne) to disinherit John, his heir, in the interest of Walter, the eldest son of his second family, receives support from conveyances cited in his inquisition post mortem and from the terms of the elaborate will which he made on 20 and 25 Dec. 1609. A later compromise gave Draycot Cerne to John and Wraxhall to Walter, dividing the manors that had been united for seven generations. Lady Long married Sir Edward Fox of Gwernoga, Montgomery, soon after her year of mourning was out. She had acquired her son Walter’s wardship and took care that Fox should agree before the marriage to her retaining it; but, in her will, written three years later, she expressed a particular desire that he should have the wardship after she was gone. Two things she failed to do: pay Sir Walter’s debts and administer his will.[6]”
5. http://www.thepeerage.com/p19322.htm#i193219 (erroneously lists death date as 1584) cites:
   1. [S1381] Cheryl Nicol, "re: Long Family," e-mail message to Darryl Lundy, 5 July 2005 to 14 May 2006. Hereinafter cited as "re: Long Family."
   2. [S15] George Edward Cokayne, editor, The Complete Baronetage, 5 volumes (no date (c. 1900); reprint, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton Publishing, 1983), volume III, page 258. Hereinafter cited as The Complete Baronetage.
   3. [S15] George Edward Cokayne, The Complete Baronetage, volume III, page 257.
6. Catherine Thynne in the Dictionary of National Biography, Volumes 1-22. Page 107. “Sir Robert Long” (d. 1678). < AncestrySharing >
7. “FOXE, Sir Edward (1578-1629), of Caynham and Ludlow” History of Parliament Biography. < link > “Katherine (bur. 14 Dec. 1613), da. of Sir John Thynne* of Longleat, Wilts., wid. of Sir Walter Long† (d.1610) of Wraxhall, Wilts., s.p.;5”
8. https://www.combedown.org/tng/getperson.php?personID=I11786&tree=PTNFM Cites
   1. [S101519698] Ancestry Family Trees, (Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com. Original data: Family Tree files submitted by Ancestry members.), Ancestry Family Tree.
   2. http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/AMTCitationRedir.aspx?tid=86378838&pid...
   3. [S128317171] Dictionary of National Biography, Volumes 1-22, Ancestry.com, (Ancestry.com Operations, Inc.), London, England: Oxford University Press; Volume: Vol 12; Page: 107.
   4. [S149554926] Westminster, London, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1558-1812, Ancestry.com, (Ancestry.com Operations, Inc.), City of Westminster Archives Centre; London, England; Westminster Church of England Parish Registers; Reference: STM/PR/5/15. Sr Edward Fox and Dame Katherine Long, 15 Nov 1611, St Mary Le Strand, London, Westminster, England < AncestrySharing >
   5. [S128317192] Global, Find A Grave Index for Burials at Sea and other Select Burial Locations, 1300s-Current, Ancestry.com, (Ancestry.com Operations, Inc.) https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/197532718/katherine-long (death date given as 1610 in error)
9. “The Ghostly Hand of Draycott” BY IAN · PUBLISHED MAY 2, 2014 · UPDATED DECEMBER 8, 2018. < link >
10. http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/Bios/WalterLong.htm
11. “ INHERITING THE EARTH:The Long Family's 500 Year Reign in Wiltshire.” < link >