Ada de Hastings

Ada de HASTINGS 1

• Birth: ABT 1230 in Ashill, Swaffham, Norfolk, England
• Death: AFT 1261 in Wickham Market, Deben, Suffolk, England 1
• Father: Henry de HASTINGS , of Ashill, Sir b: ABT 1205 in Ashill, Swaffham, Norfolk, England
• Mother: Ada de HUNTINGDON , Heiress of Yardley b: ABT 1205 in Huntingdon, Huntingdonshire, England

Marriage

1. Hubert HOVEL , Sir b: ABT 1230 Married: 1252 in 1st husband 1
2. Ralph de BRERETON , Sir b: ABT 1224 in Barton, Preston, Lancashire, England Married: AFT 1258 in 2nd husband 1

Children (possibly ? Date question - does not agree with http://cybergata.com/roots/8146.htm)

1. Sybil de BRERETON b: ABT 1259 in Brereton cum Smethwick, Congleton, Cheshire, England
2. William de BRERETON , Sir b: ABT 1260 in Brereton cum Smethwick, Congleton, Cheshire, England

Links

• The Phillips, Weber, Kirk, & Staggs families of the Pacific Northwest

notes

June 2014

From Ada of Huntingdon (died c.1242), wife of Henry de Hastings, Knt. From: Douglas Richardson Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008

"In conclusion, it is clear that Ada of Huntingdon had but one husband, Sir Henry de Hastings. She did not marry (2nd) Sir Ralph de Brereton or William de Handsacre. The possibility exists that Sir Ralph de Brereton may have been married to her daughter, Ada de Hastings, widow of Sir Hubert Hovel. It is also possible that Sir Ralph de Brereton's widow married William de Handsacre. However, if so, Sir Ralph de Brereton can not have been married to Ada de Hastings, as William de Handsacre's wife was named Alice or Ala. Further study is needed to resolve this points."

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Curator's: Please see link here below. Ralph de Brereton is buried with his wife Ada in St. Mary's Churchyard, Astbury, Cheshire, in a tomb marked with Latin translation and date. Ada is the daughter of David of Scotland, and Ralph de Brereton is her second husband.

http://www.thornber.net/cheshire/htmlfiles/astbury.html

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Original thoughts from Ormerod Vol.3 p88 who offers possibly that she was widow of a Henry Hastings and daughter of David, Earl of Huntingdon

Jim Weber originally had Ada de Huntingdon as wife of Ralph de Brereton, which is similar to Ormerod, above. He now (Feb.2005) thinks that Ralph's wife was "Miss", an unnamed daughter of Ada de H.

"Note: I originally had Ada de Huntingdon as wife of Ralph de Brereton, based on the above information. I now think that it was a daughter of Ada who was Ralph's wife."

Text from Jim Weber's site:-

"Sir Ralph Brereton of Brereton, Knight, through marriage to Ada de Hastings, gives the Breretons Royal Descent because she was descended of David, King of Scotland, and maternally the Earls of Chester were Royal Earls, who possessed jura regalis in the Palatinate of Chester. They also laid claim to royal descent from the Venables, who was a relation ofS tephen of Blois and William, the Conqueror. At first the descent of the Breretons from the royal blood of Scotland was mentioned as a mere claim,which was found in Collins' Peerage and in Dugdale's British Peers, but a copy of the patent or grant of creation to Sir William Brereton, of the Barony of Brereton, has since been procured and in that instrument such royal descent in Scotland is expressly recited and recognized in the following terms: "We, considering with mature deliberation the free and true services of Sir William Brereton, and that he is sprung from an ancient, noble and most renowned family, inasmuch as he is descended,through many illustrious ancestors, from Ada, sister of John, surnamed leScot, 7th Earl of Chester, and daughter of David, Earl of Huntingdon,Lord of Galloway, within our kingdom of Scotland." (This quotation is found in Archaeologia, or Miscellaneous Tracts Relating to Antiquity,Vol. 33, p. 59.)"

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http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jweber&id...

The following post to SGM, 3 Dec 2008, by Douglas Richardson, gives the following possibility for the wife of Ralph Brereton (and I think William Handsacre), after proving that Ada de Huntingdon predeceased her only husband Henry de Hastings, and did not marry her 2nd & 3rd reputed husbands:

Curiously, in a modern pedigree of the Brereton family of Cheshire found in Ormerod, Hist. of Chester, 3 (1819): 51, the author states
that Sir Ralph Brereton, of Brereton, Knt. is “said in some pedigrees to marry Ada, daughter of David earl of Huntingdon, relict of Henry Hastings.” On page 19 of the same volume, the author quotes a seemingly authentic inscription cut in capitals within an arch over an ancient tomb in the parish church of Astbury, Cheshire, which reads as follows: “Hic jacent Radulphus Brereton miles et domina Ada uxor sua, una filiarum Davidis comitis Huntingdonis.” [Here lies Ralph Brereton Knt. and lady Ada his wife, daughter of David, Earl of Huntingdon]. This same inscription and/or alleged marriage are elsewhere mentioned in numerous secondary sources such as Gentleman's Magazine.n.s. 9 (1816): 577; Hanshall, Hist. of the County Palatine of Chester (1817): 579; Yates, History of the Ancient Town and Borough of Congleton (1820): 141; Archaeologia 33 (1849): 59-60; Hamer & Lloyd, Hist. of the Par. of Llangurig (1875): 74; Arch. Cambrensis 4th ser. 11 (1880): 176; Colls. His. & Arch. Rel. to Montgomeryshire 14 (1881): 61-63; Advertiser Notes & Queries (1882): 23; Lloyd, Hist. of the Princes, the Lords Marcher, & the Ancient Nobility of Powys Fadog 3 (1882): 92 (Brereton pedigree); Trans. of the Lancashire & Cheshire Antiq. Soc. 7 (1889): 286-287; Trans. of the Hist. Soc. of Lancashire & Cheshire 76 (1924): 43; Notes & Queries, 172 (1937): 298, 337, 393, 447; Dalton, MSS of St. George’s Chapel (1957): 409; Brereton, Letter Books of Sir William Brereton 2 (Rec. Soc. of Lancashire & Cheshire 128) (1990): 62.

Erdeswicke, Survey of Staffordshire (1820): 172 further alleges that Ada, widow of Henry de Hastings, married William Hansacre [Handsacre], of Staffordshire. Still yet, a modern pedigree of the family of Earls of Chester found in Banks, Dormant & Extinct Baronage of England 1 (1807): 210 states that “An old MS. Visitation Book of Cheshire says, she [Ada] married, second, William Handsacre, and, third, Sir Ralph Brereton, of Brereton, knight.” Contemporary records, however, do not support either of these “extra” marriages for Ada de Huntingdon.

We've already seen that Ada of Huntingdon, wife of Sir Henry de Hastings, predeceased her husband shortly before Trinity term 1242 (date of lawsuit). Thus, Ada of Huntingdon can not possibly have married (2nd) either Sir Ralph de Brereton or William Handsacre. To date, I've found very little information regarding Sir Ralph de Brereton, although it seems likely an individual of this name existed in this time period. If his wife was named Ada, however, the possibility exists that he was married to the younger Ada de Hastings, one of the daughters of Ada of Huntingdon. My research shows that in 1252 the younger Ada de Hastings, being then a ward of the king, she was abducted by Hubert Hovel, Knt., and married to him without the king’s license. In Feb. 1252 the king ordered Hubert’s arrest for having “committed many trespasses in the realm against the king’s crown and peace.” He was subsequently arrested by the Sheriff of Bedfordshire. The following year, 1253, the king pardoned Hubert Hovel, and commanded the Sheriff of Bedfordshire to permit him to go free. Sir Hubert Hovel died before Hilary term 1258, when his widow, Ada, claimed dower in the third part of the manor of Harpol, Suffolk. She released her claim to brother-in-law, Robert Hovel, senior, in return for an annuity of two marks of silver, plus a one-time payment of ten marls of silver. Ada was living in 1260-1261, put she put in her claim to property in Wickham, Suffolk in a fine recorded that year. She is possibly the Ada Hovel who occurs on the 1301 lay subsidy at Cundale, Yorkshire [References: Arch. Journal, 26 (1869): 236-256; Brown, Yorkshire Lay Subsidy (Yorkshire Arch. Soc. Rec. Ser. 21) (1898): 1-8; Rye, Cal. of Feet of Fines for Suffolk (1900): 61, 63; Copinger, Manors of Suffolk 1 (1905): 397-399; Cal. Patent Rolls, 1247-1258 (1908): 130, 191; Muskett, Suffolk Manorial Fams. 2 (1908): 59-60, 74 (Hovel pedigree); Complete Peerage 10 (1945): 336, footnote a (sub Pecche)]. Thus, Ada de Hastings was a young widow in 1258, and can easily have remarried. Unfortunately, the subsequent history of Ada de Hastings is unknown. She may possibly have died without remarrying, or she may have married Sir Ralph de Brereton, Knt., of Brereton, Cheshire....

In conclusion, it is clear that Ada of Huntingdon had but one husband, Sir Henry de Hastings. She did not marry (2nd) Sir Ralph de Brereton or William de Handsacre. The possibility exists that Sir Ralph de Brereton may have been married to her daughter, Ada de Hastings, widow of Sir Hubert Hovel. It is also possible that Sir Ralph de Brereton's widow married William de Handsacre. However, if so, Sir Ralph de Brereton can not have been married to Ada de Hastings, as William de Handsacre's wife was named Alice or Ala. Further study is needed to resolve this points.