ATTENTION Curators, please assist

A lot of Jacqueli's profiles are in a project so in many/most cases, she should be able to edit them.

I also get warnings and in fact sometimes I go into Relationships and do the detachment because it won't allow me to do it in the tree view. Then I have to clean up the tree however, because there will be unknowns spouses, etc.

Hatte Rubenstein Blejer Thank you - please assist as I have requested - appreciate - If I say I have tried and it didn't work, believe this - I really am just trying to get the issues cleaned up and no being in the project does not give me the editing ability as you have suggested. If it did - I would not be making these request that I need and would go about my business. :)

Jacqueli Charlene Finley

- Roger de Lee, of Berrington & Coton is now an MP

- Alicia de la Lee III is "divorced" driftwood

- Margaret Astley of Coton and Nordley Regis is single and looking

- Petronilla Lee is only married to Sir Thomas de la Lee

- Unknown Profile is now the son of only Thomas De Lee & Katrina Cotton

- Sir John de la Lee is without spouse

James II, King of Scots

Please add to the http://www.geni.com/projects/Finley-Findley-Finlay-Lineage

Thank you

Kenneth II, king of Scots and A Woman of Leinster need to be detached from Ruadrí mac Domnall, Mormaer of Moray as parents - thank you.

Also - I have some MP request over on the http://www.geni.com/discussions/83475?msg=708735 thread - thank you

Shmuel-Aharon Kam (Kahn / שמואל-אהרן קם (קאן Private User can you help please :)

Jacqueli, please remember that curators are just other users, with lives outside of Geni. They will get your files MP'd in due time, and your tree fixes done when they are able to devote serious time to that line. Please give them some time...they are an invaluable resource for all of us and they still do their own research on their own personal trees...we need to respect their donated time to our trees.

Anita - how was I disrespectful? I have just been posting for assistance? I cannot see how my posting effect you to respond?

Well Jacqueli, I, who am not a curator, am personally offended by your repeated postings, your requesting personal help, and your complaints about the work some of the curators have done. You seem to expect immediate personal assistance from people who have VOLUNTEERED to DONATE their time.

Give them a break for a day or two....your request to make 15 PERSONAL profiles MPs is not a priority (and a reminder less than two hours later was specifically uncalled for). MP was designed for HISTORICAL profiles; forgive me, but I am not aware how you or your immediate family are historically important, nor what makes your requests for help more important than anyone else's requests.

Anita and Jacqueli please give us some time to look after your requests....we really are a bunch of fun loving people and do not like to see our fellow users get into any conflicts..hope you both understand.

Angus - thank you - I wasn't worried - just put off about the unnecessary comments - that's all - I appreciate the help - no conflicts here - and it will not deter me from posting my requests - be it personally offending Anita, the way I see it we are all donating our time here on Geni - and we should keep it fun - not personal - :)

Could someone please make sure Agnes, Heiress de Legh is not married to Unknown Profile. I can only do half of the process, so I put William back. His spouse is unknown. Thank you for your help!!

There appears to already be a profile for William Danyers. Is this the same as the William Danyers (above) that you created this morning Alexander? If so, there is no need to create duplicates. It makes work for everyone.

William “of Bradley” Danyers

That profile you mentioned Hatte seems to be quite a mess. All the children of Danyers are listed as Venables and that is just the beginning. People have already made a lot of work for everyone in this family.

So is that why you created a duplicate instead of fixing the existing profile? That also will create a mess on the tree.

http://books.google.com/books?id=jdIVAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA7&dq=Wil...

I assume that the "mess" comes from sources like this one?

It looks like the daughter of your Agnes de Legh ALSO NAMED AGNES DE LEGH married William Danyers. Wouldn't it be better to fix the existing profile?

"Agnes de Legh had, by her first husband, Richard de Limme alias Legh, as well as the son Thomas de Legh already referred to, a daughter of her own name, (who would bear for arms her father's and her brother's coat Gules a pale fusilly argent?) This Agnes de Legh, junior, was married to William Danyers, or De Anyers, and their son Thomas Danyers changed the colours of the arms borne by his mother's family, and bore Argent a pale fusilly sable."

I am familiar with the family and I have been taking your advice and been trying to clean it up...I have made countless moves over the last 30 minutes but I will stall shortly. The generations are all mixed up, partners are wrong, and so forth, but throw him in there and I will delete mine.

Agnes "the daughter" de Legh

Here is the "fixed" profile of the DAUGHTER of Agnes de Legh, also named Agnes de Legh. She is now married to William Danyers. I merged your duplicate of this morning with the existing William Danyers.

Let people know what else you need but fix existing profiles with 18 managers instead of creating new profiles please.

Because of the common names, as you point out, there must have been a lot of merges in this family. But your Agnes de Legh (the mother) is no longer married to William Danyers, as you requested, and should have the three husbands noted in the link above. I don't know about the children. I can help later but won't be available for awhile.

I agree, it's frustrating, but it's also frustrating when someone later on merges in the unfixed existing profile with 18 managers with your new duplicate, so duplicating doesn't actually solve anything, it makes it worse later.

Private User Let me know if you know what to do with the extra daughter (there are two Margerys) and the extra son (John) of William Danyers and Agnes "the daughter" de Legh. And if you have a good source, I'd like a link. By the way Agnes and William are my 19th great grandparents :) So this mess is not only your family.

There are problems with this MP
Margaret Legh, of Clifton. b 1350 d 1428
I don't think this person is her father Thomas Gerard
Three husbands named Piers Legh one d 1589, one b 1360 d1399, one b 1347 d 1399

That one is curated Eldon and is best handled by the curator who put detailed notes in the About Me. It looks like there have been merges of various Margarets.

Eldon, the date the MP was made or last edited is in the curator text box at the top of the profile ( in this case, 12/29/10). I know this curator well, and I know something of this family. It is my belief that the errors happened in later merges.

There have been a number of recent merges, VERY recent. Merges are what usually creates erroneous and extra parents and multiple copies of a spouse, when trees are merged. Again, the curator has the knowledge, documented the CORRECT details in the About Me when the MP was made, and subsequent merges have introduced things that now have to be "cleaned up". The curator can do this most quickly and cleanly in many cases.

OK, learning experience. Now I know for sure what the date in the curators notes is. Do we just ignore these errors or correct them? It seems to me that we should help the curators wherever possible. Using the about me info of course. I don't want to step on anyone's toes here.

My thought is correct them. If there is clear, quality information to use, absolutely, help! It would be good to draw the Curator's attention to it in case there are larger or surrounding errors.

Eldon - I agree with Jenna in both points. I also usually go to an appropriate source for the period, so I have a second source that verifies the About Me and Curator's Notes. Unless I see the About Me has sources listed and I recognize them as usually reliable.

If the correction is merging duplicate spouses and assigning parents and you have done this many times and understand the mechanism, do the correction AND let the curator know as well. Often these discrepancies are due to a lot of other merges or changes around the profile in question and the Curator can look at it in context then.

OK, Thanks for the input from both of you. I think that in this case, the husbands dates are the key. Dying 138 years after her only happened in biblical times.

My experience from above discussion about William Danyers and Agnes de Legh is that in this family names repeat a lot. As they do in most families. This is why people need to be very careful when they merge.

I assume someone merged several Margarets, all married to Piers Legh, but that either the dates were wrong or unfortunately more likely, they were different Margarets and Piers Leghs...

Anyway, the curator has taken care of this.