ATTENTION Curators, please assist

Private User

Lucia Fernandes Motta is a private profile - only a member of her Family Group or her herself (not curators, who deal with PUBLIC profiles only) can help this I believe. Others may have tech tricks for you.

Sally Thomas

The merge looks good to me if you can go ahead and complete it. Then fix the "grandaddy" name (1472?? that would be a 20th gg father, wouldn't it?) at "data resolve"

http://www.geni.com/merge/compare/6000000010677044521?return=duplic...

On the Baker line I'd need to link to assign myself or beg off. :) I ping for cousin hood. :>

ok, Erica...

Joan (Hurst) Tilley, "Mayflower" Passenger

Edward Tilley was not a husband of Joan Hurst Tilley. He was her brother-in-law. Her husband was John Tilley. Please remove Edward. Thanks.

@Erica Isabel Howton

Ok, Erica, but since I'm allowed to administrate her profile (and even login by her) and I couldn't split the trees, I guess I have to make her profile public but I couldn't find where to change it.

But now I have another astonishing issue:
I logged in on Geni right now and MY ENTIRE TREE HAS VANISHED AWAY!
(I'm trying hard not getting in dispair...)

Carole - done.

Mary - done.

This should be Joan Hurst. I'm cleaning up the Mayflower tree, again. Thanks. Mary

Unknown Profile
Forgot to attach profile to above.

http://www.geni.com/people/Joan-Hurst-Rogers-Tilley-Mayflower-Passe...

This Joan Hurst Tilley , Mayflower passenger, should be the mother, not the daughter. The mother was not married to Edward Hawkins.

Guys, I have just post the following message here about a merge in error profile (Lucia Motta) and my post desappears!

Erica Howton Isabel Howton

Ok, Erica, but since I'm allowed to administrate her profile (and even login by her) and couldn't split the trees, I guess I have to make her profile public but I couldn't find where to change it.

But now I have another astonishing issue:
I logged in on Geni right now and MY ENTIRE TREE HAS VANISHED AWAY!
(I'm trying hard not getting in dispair...)
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So, you can't help me with a merge in error, my tree desappears and now my help message also.
Ok, that's enough for me! I'm gonna jump off Geni and invited all my family to do the same. I wonder if I had spent my money on it and not only my time things would work different...

I'm in tears here, I do not deserve it... I have started our tree and all my family followed me... I'm really ashamed with them...
Bye.

adriana your tree is still there its just a parent conflict that needs to be resolved

Not sure Jason -- I'm not seeing a parent connection for her in the database. Adriana, give me a few minutes and I think I can reconnect you.

James Butler, 9th Baron Dunboyne
This James Butler and wife Eleanor Reagh were not the parents of James Butler, 9th Earl of Ormonde. His parents were Piers Butler, 8th Earl of Ormonde and Lady Margaret Fitzgerald. Please disconnect the incorrect parents. Thanks.

Private User Done.

And James Butler, 9th Earl of Ormonde, is my 4th cousin 14 times removed it turns out!

Private User

Done.

I wonder how we both did it and what the repercussions of that are, Erica??

Thanks Hattie and Erica. I think Erica fixed the Mayflower while Hattie fixed the Earl.
I know by DNA that I'm related to the Earls of Ormonde, just don't have the exact link. So we are connected somehow Hattie. The quest continues.

He's actually related to me two ways Mary Kathleen, the second way through marriage. And as you know I am also related to the le Boteler family as a direct descendant. I assume it's just coincidence as many of the Butler / Boteler / le Boteler families were NOT related, it being a name derived from a role.

I have you to thanks for getting me interested in the Butlers / le Botelers.

Hattie, Remember the story about Thomas Butler, the 10th Earl and his cousin Queen Elizabeth I? The 9th Earl was his father. So you might be connected to that "rumor" too! Mary

Yup, I went to the Mayflowers (my default position) so there was no overlap, Hatte. :>

Still cleaning up Tilly's .. guess they got discovered ... again. :)

I do remember that story. I need to look it up again and send it to my mother and cousin!

Thanks for fixing the Tilleys who are my direct ancestors! You are so good natured about the many times you have to fix the Mayflower profiles. I wish that when people saw a curated, historical profile that they were going to merge with or alter, that they contacted the curator for assistance first.

Hatte, I'll send you the "rumor" via email. Mary

Private User

I am truly sorry for your distress and am very sorry that I was unable to help. I did look, another curator (Jason Willis) did look, but it seems that your difficulty needs the assistance of Geni programmers - not user / volunteers such as curators. Mike Stangel is taking a look and hopefully will be able to do some tech magic to sort you out.

Just as a reminder to everyone, this is how curators can help, and ways we can't (but others and perhaps Geni can, on other discussions) ....

1. Curators are Geni users and pretty much ... just like everyone else here.

2. How are we special then?

a. We have PRO tools (you can buy them too!) That means we can disconnect erroneous relationships (Geni-divorces and disinheritances). Sometimes they just creep in through the merge process, no one's fault, and needs correcting. That's one of the main purposes of this discussion in fact.

b. To help that, precisely defining what needs to be done is really helpful -- see the way Mary Arnold and Carole Pomeroy request assistance? They do the research to validate the request, post a link to the profile that needs fixing, and precisely identify what needs to be done to sort it out: e.g., disconnect Thomas from wrong parents Ann & Robert, should be right parents Elizabeth & Thomas.

c. Sometimes the incorrect relationships are a result of lack of response to merge requests. That's another way curators can help, as we have the ability to edit together (merge) any pair of PUBLIC ONLY profiles and in the "historic," multi manager tree (basically before 1850). This right can also be done by "collaborating" with the other managers on a profile ... or with one of *their* collaborators.

d. In fact anyone can become a "mini curator." Do you know how? By use of Projects. Public Profiles added to a Project (Options menu to do so) can be edited, including merged, by the Project collaborators. So we encourage use of this tool. (It's also great training in "curatorship").

What we cannot do is fix private profiles or basically anyone living. That requires being a member of the Family Group. It's part of the Geni privacy definition.

So if you're having a technical issue with a private profile, tree drawing, viewing, etc., please post your request for assistance on a "different" discussion. Often Geni users have "tricks and hints" to offer to help figure it out and get it fixed, and Geni staff does monitor these discussions and are enormously helpful.

Hope this post clarified curator abilities a bit for you all.

Curators, I think that adding curator notes about the correct parents, husbands etc. for historical profiles really helps keep incorrect profiles from being attached or merged. Thanks for doing those. Mary

Mary - you are on the mark although I have found that even curator notes sometimes don't help. It's good to give birthdate / deathdate, children, spouse, and parents in curator notes and also if the profile is one that tends to be confused with other profiles, put in a caution.

Joseph Tilley

There are about a dozen locked profiles near this profile, and they are just a generation or two below the Mayflower tree. How can that be? They are Tilleys and Plowrights.

Desire Gorham

@Hatte Blejer

Here is a duplicate profile for your Desire Howland who has lost her husband John Gorham. I don't have access to move her to her other profile. Mary

Mary - I could not get Check Public to work on those profiles around Joseph Tilley but I did initiate Hunt Zombies. Someone more experienced should weigh in here as to what's up with the locked Tilley profiles. I assume that they are not marked as deceased.