ATTENTION Curators, please assist

Mike, the first time I looked, all of them were listed on her profile. they disappeared with the MP but I found them on another profile. I don't want to mess with it but if I find it again, I will send it to you.

William Booth is one of the profile (and lineage) that I manage that is part of my lineage - the problem just occurred earlier today. The Booth line (de Booth) is part of the Peerage and historical line. Perhaps I can try again to merge into the existing line ???? Let me know. I posted this to make you all aware .

Am I right in my understanding, if I say that in my small tree, (few hundreds family members), in a forest of it's own, I cannot enlist the help of a curator to have some duplicates merged?

My problem is that the (4-5) persons to be merged do not answer to my messages, and the same for they managers.

On a different topic all together, I have a preemptive question. I will receive a gedcom file soon, with several more hundreds records. I've been already told that this file might contain errors and duplicate to the existing tree in Geni and that future updates and corrections will be provided to me by the means of new gedcom files, obviously that will contain a number of duplicates and possibly person removed from the tree due to mistaken identity. Should I need to do it, is possible to remove from my tree a whole branch, starting from a certain person? And I would do about it? Or there is a better way to sort this kind of problems?
Thanks for the help!

Hi Andrea,

I'm just going to answer the first part of your question and let someone more technical answer the second part.

Curators can assist with PUBLIC profiles, not with PRIVATE ones. So if the profiles in question are deceased and set to public, and the co managers are non responsive, we can help you get them merged.

Andrea
In regard to the second part of your question, one of the issues which the Geni community has grappled with in the past was how to resolve exactly this question - how to handle Gedcom updates. I don't think it was ever resolved satisfactorily, and as a result Gedcom imports were disabled some months ago. I have no knowledge on when Gedcom imports may be re-enabled, or what means might be provided to handle Gedcom updates in future.

More generally, it is possible with the right permissions to move whole branches around the tree. We generally try to merge duplicate profiles rather than delete copies.

Erica, thanks for the quickest reply ever. :)

I was asking as khan, in his original post mentioned that the profile not only need to be public, but it need to be connected to the "big tree" (forest) to be merged by a curator, if need be.

So you say this is not really a requirement?

Thanks again.

Hmm, I would need a link to a sample profile because I do better when I look / see. But as someone whose family "forest" didn't "connect" to the "big tree" until the 1700s! and through a marriage branch!!! I don't, in theory, see why not. :)

David, thanks about the reply, but what you tell me is not good news. :(

So, at this in in time, adding any number of records can only be made manually?

The reason I was asking about deleting, was due to the information that (possibly) a branch of the tree that will be given to me in the gedcom file might containg one link mistakenly defined as my ancestor. As this might resolve the issue might just be himself or a number of person tied to him but not to my family. In the latter case, it would be more clean (in my opinion) just to remove that whole branch, since there can be no confirmation for their identity.

Actually I can address the third part of your question as well, complementing (and building on) David Prins points.

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Should I need to do it, is possible to remove from my tree a whole branch, starting from a certain person? And I would do about it? Or there is a better way to sort this kind of problems?
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Anyone PRO can "disconnect" a branch. My advice would be to store that branch in a Project for the next person who might be interested in picking up the genealogy and building it out (same as I gave Barbara above).

And IF it's proven that the Geni profile is incorrect with good sources in the "overview" and / or attached to the profile, **and** with agreement by the profile managers -- it is indeed "best practices" to correct the data and its place on the tree by merging rather than deleting.

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As a side point I entered my own family tree (some 1,000 profiles) by hand in geni. It wasn't that big a deal.

Andrea, when curators were first established, they could only use their curator tools in the "big tree", but that later changed, so they can now also use their curator tools on ALL public profiles, whether or not they are in the big tree, and whether or not they are deceased.

It's always best to work collaboratively with other profile managers in the first instance, and only to involve curators when required.

Andrea, Erica's answer to the third part of your question was excellent.

Yes you can only enter new records manually at the moment. There may be less to add than you think, because many of them may already be there.

Erica,

The profiles I have to merge are not public (although the one to merge into my tree did not connect since august 2008, can it be made public?), but you can see one example here: http://www.geni.com/merge/compare/6000000000586898784?return=merge_.... The profile in my family is managed by me and my cousin that created it originally and we both agree ot the merge, but we cannot complete it.

Thanks for yor interest.

That profile copy is claimed by Claudia herself, so it is questionable whether merging would achieve anything there.

I doubt curators can help there because that profile and the ones around it will be in Claudia's family group, so legitimately private.

Is Claudia actually closely related to you? If so, then what you really need is to find a public profile in Claudia's tree and merge it with your copy of that profile. Then Geni will recognise that the private profiles in Claudia's tree are also actually your close family and give you access to them.

Otherwise, you may have to just ignore the duplicates. They are not connected to your tree so they are really doing your tree no harm. I have a number of such cases in my own family tree that I have been able to do nothing about. Duplicate cousin trees sitting there all alone, which it would be nice to connect up - that is after all the Geni core mission to create one world tree all connected up with one profile per person. But there is only so much we can do if others do not co-operate.

Andrea,
the thing to do in these types of situations is to find a user that IS active, within her family-group, that can invite you to join, and enable you to start merging.

In ANY case, it is NEVER a good idea to merge a duplicate with a claimed profile. It just creates more of a mess. So once you have connected the two trees, just delete your duplicate copies.

just delete your duplicate copies OF CLAIMED PROFILES, that is.

I have reported claudia as an abandoned tree. She has not been online since 2008.

David, Claudia is the wife of a third dousing, so not that close... Her tree is no longer being modified ( she logged last time almost 3 years ago) and all profiles are non public...

Kahn, so to avoid mess I should manage to join the to trees, then delete my duplicates, but what if I have more info on my records? If the person (Claudia in this case) do not even accept a request of collaboration, I will never be able to add my info to that branch, or am I mixing something?

Marv, now that the tree is abandoned officially, what does it means, in relation to merging?

Thanks to all.

Obviously I meant third cousin… ;)

Wife of third cousin is considered be Geni to be within family group.

For private profiles, collaboration will not help.

You just need some bridge to get your tree connected to this other tree, and then Geni will recognise that you are family and you will have access to the private profiles. There are various ways to get that bridge, as Shmuel and I have described. If you can achieve that - great! - via a public profile as I described or via an active user as Shmuel described.

Geni policies do change over time, but I found previously that Geni would not release profiles of close family of abandoned users. So I am stuck with a situation similar to what Andrea has described, and I have no solution for mine either, other than just to ignore it.

Your new format has a bug in it ,when you go to search people to look for someone and hit the search button it doesn't work 99% of the time.Please explain or fix it. Thank you.

That's a Help issue, not a curator issue. You can open a request from the footer link at the bottom of every page.

To Erica , Thank You for your answer.

Poobah,

The search "magnifying glass" should now drop down a menu that allows you to choose whether you're searching People, Projects, Discussions or Surnames. You could argue that the search should submit once you make a selection, though I'm sure that would result in a lot of people submitting blank searches because they're choosing the category first. You should be able to submit the search just by hitting the Enter key after typing the text you're searching for -- is there some reason that's not easy / efficient for you?

Mike, Thanks. I believe that learning to "juggle" the newness could be part of the problem. However, when a successful search is modified to "Managed by You", I rarely show up. If I leave it as "All of Geni", I can find myself somewhere near the bottom of the list of managers for a specific profile. Is this a faux pas of the changes or do I need to make changes to some of my settings?

Andrea Mosconi
Normally the individual is deleted and the profile management is relaesed to the closest relative. so if you have merges pending that would be you (unless there is someone closer)

Jacki - I am on vacation on an iPhone. When I return I will take care of merging and getting rid of the duplicates in the William Booth family. There were already profiles for the siblings you created profiles for. I don't think you were looking at the Master Profile. It looks like you merged another William Booth with the MP. I am the 12th great granddaughter of the Booths so we must be cousins. Let me know if I can help in any way.

Hatte,

Thank you. I noticed that the problems start at Thomas Booth -William Booth and Adam Booth - managers have not followed the correct DOB input from the Peerage and have create havoc :) with not paying attention to the DOB's - this created many duplicates ... some siblings are over 100 years apart and born after DOD of parents, wrong spouse info too ... let me know if you need help, this is an important line ... perhaps the MP's (once merged and corrected) can be locked? I wish more managers had copies of Burke's Peerage - it's easier to follow than some of the on-line references that these managers may have used for reasearch.

They are all my g-grandparent's too :) cousin! Thank's again for addressing this issue.

Jacqueli (Jacki)

Poobah,

Unfortunately the "managed by you" search only applies if you are the first manager listed, what we sometimes call the primary manager. I know that makes it kind of useless once you've merged a bunch of your profiles with others, but unfortunately we can only search on the primary manager at this time.

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Jane Mulholland (Quackenbush)

Please merge. Thanks.

Mary, since one of those profiles is private you'll be the only one who can merge them. You can do so at http://www.geni.com/merge/compare/6000000004159496193?to=6000000011...