ATTENTION Curators, please assist

@ Bjorn P. Brox
What links are you refering to? I have never seen a spot to put info on whether your grandfather was adopted or not in "AboutMe."

The About Me are a free-text area where you can write all information you have on a profile and since it suypports wikitext formatting you can also add links to the text.

Somehow, probably in a merge, the parents of Anthony Jansen von Sale were changed to an incorrect pair. I've tried, but I can't seem to re-link the right ones. The manager of the incorrect pairing is not answering any of my messages.

This is Anthony: Antony Jansen “du Turck” van Salee
His incorrect father: Unknown Profile
His incorrect mother: Metje Andries Grevenraet
His actual father: Jan Janszoon van Haarlem, aka Murat Reis the Younger
His actual mother: Margarita

Thanks!

William Sawyer Bergen, Jacob Milton Bergen Family of Long Island New York (1995 Gateway Press Baltimore, Maryland), Appendix A-5, A.

"Anthony Jansen, was said to have come from Salee, in Moracco to New Amsterdam in 1633.

Anthony's father Jan Janse in turn, had moved to Salee from Harlem in Holland and turned "Turk", becoming very wealthy. By this route Anthony, who emigrated to America, was known as the "Turk" a

Tried to help Marjorie DeWitt as best as I could. Still a little cleanup if a curator could check in with her tree.

John Herrod Dewitt Could be assigned to the correct parents now.

Marjorie and Jonathan, can you please tell me who should be whose parents and who needs to be detached from whom and I'll sort it. I don't want to do anything till I'm sure of what is required though.

Brittany, This looks very much to me as if it is a correct pairing but with variant spelling. It would be coincedence wouldn't it for the parents and son to all have virtually the same name and not at least be related.

@ Terry, From what I could tell John Dewitt should have a father of Peter Dewitt and a mother of Jane DeWitt (Bray). Be careful as there are two sets of them and they should not be merged. The correct set has a death date for Peter Dewitt.

Marjorie and Jonathon,
OK, I think, (I really hope) I've done it. Can you please check and see?
Thanks

@ Terry, Metje Gravenrest was Anthony's wife, not mother. But I see what you're saying about the similar spellings. The father may in fact be correct then, but the mother is still wrong.

@ Judi. It seems your post was cut off. What were you trying to say?

Why is marriage not one of the items you can choose to "source" when uploading source documents? Aren't marriage certs considered "valid" sources? Is that something that can be added?

Thanks...

Anita, I have raised this issue myself and the Geni Team are, I understand, going to add marriage as a source.

Thanks Terry....and Geni!!!

here is the full sourcing i have for Anthony - i had hoped to have the finish of this branch and documentation in if i do not already have the ancestress listed just by name or some dates - but... its been a very long year and four moths and many side tracks besides after having to leave it lies because of fighting 4 months 24/7 to clean up the 2-3 generations on the smith hinckley line -

RECORD:

1. Teunius G. Bergen, Register of Early Settler of Kings County New York (reprint 1973), pg. 155. "From Salle, Vaes or Fez, emigrant at an early date to N.A., where he resided from 1633 to 1639 owning a town lot and a bouwery. He m 1) Grietje Reiniers; m 2) in 1670 Metje Graventraet, and d. abt 1676 intestate. In Apr 1639 he and his wife were banished from N.A. in consequence of their being slanderous and troublesome persons. He however appears to have managed to remain in the town until Aug. 3 1639, when on petition he was granted by the Director-Gen. or Gov. Kieft 100 morgens on the W. end of L.I., lying within the present bounds of N.U. and Gd. to which he removed, and for which the patent was dated May 27, 1643. Feb 9, 1660, he sold his patent to Nicholas Stillwell for 100 gl and the fee of plantation-lot No. 29 in Gd., with the buildings and improvements thereon, which plantation-lot Anthony sold Dec. 1669 to Fernandus VanSickelen, his son-in-law. After this he appears to have removed back to N.A., where he died. Anthony's patent during this period was known as "Turk's plantation", from his being designated as "Turk" on some of the old records...."

2. Tenius G. Bergen, Bergen Family or the Desc. of Hans Hansen Bergen, One of the Early Settlers of New York & Brooklyn, Long Island, The, P g. 19 - 20, CS/71/B49/1866 & 1876. " Antony Jansen van Vaas from Salee, generally written Antony Jansen Van Salee, and designated in addition in portions of our early records with the appellation of "Turk" who on being banished from New Amsterdam in consquence of improper conduct on his part and that of his wife Grietje Reiners obtained in 1639 from director Kieft a grant of 100 morgens (200 acres) on the west end of Long Island, partly in the present town of New Utrecht and Gravesend, on which he located and became the first settler in said towns, probably in consequence of the word Jansen, (meaning the son of Jan,) being common to both names, is fancied by some writers to have been a brother of Jores Jansen de Rapalie, but this there is no proof, nor is this coroborated by our early records, then on the contrary going far to disprove it."

3. Eliza Haddon Brevoort, Gulick and Allied Families 1653 - 1948, 1948 Burkert-Walton Co. Evansville, Indiana, pg. 9. COMMENT: The book has no numbering system and no real order of presentation of material to it in my mind; more or lees it seems like just a collection of research and material as it came in. Takes time to sit and study and compare what is presented. "...Anthony Jansen Van Sales who before coming to this country lived for a time at Salem, of Fez a seaport town under Turkish rule on the coast of Africa, at that time said to be a resort of pirate vessels. Anthony Jansen was known at Gravesend as the "Turk" and the farm where he lived as referred to on the records of Gravesend as "Turk's plantation...."

4. William Sawyer Bergen, Jacob Milton Bergen Family of Long Island New York (1995 Gateway Press Baltimore, Maryland), Appendix A-5, A. "Anthony Jansen, was said to have come from Salee, in Moracco to New Amsterdam in 1633. Anthony's father Jan Janse in turn, had moved to Salee from Harlem in Holland and turned "Turk", becoming very wealthy. By this route Anthony, who emigrated to America, was known as the "Turk" and held possession known as "Turks Tract". Anthony and his wife Grietje Reiner were notorous having been banished from New Amsterdam in 1639 - - - - Anthony Jansen Van Sales 1607 - 1676. Certainly, one of the more interesting of our ancestors is Anthony Jansen. His daughter , Eva, married Ferdinandus Van Sicken referred to as the "Turk" in the records and came from Morocco. Grietje Reyneirs and Anthony Jansen applied for a marriage certificate 15 Dec. 1629 in Amsterdam allowing them to marry on ship board. Anthony was listed as a sea man from Cartagina. They reached New Amsterdam in 1630. They always had neighbor problems. He was a prosperous farmer but married to a feisty wife. She was a "waiting girl" at a Tavern in Amsterdam and or testified by ancestor Cornelis Lambertse Cool, was discharged for improper conduct. In 1638, Grietje and Anthony accused Rev. Bogardua and his wife of being liars. They had to make a public apology. Walpert Van Kouwenhen, another ancestor, complained of their lanuage when collecting money for the miniter's salary. They were sued for non-payment of his salary and had to pay. After more troubles, they were banished from New Amsterdam in 1639. Three months later he was granted 100 morgans (200 acres) of land in Gravesend and New Utrecht. Thus they became known as early founders of noth towns. Anthony was next sued by his son-in-law Thomas Southard, over the dowry for his daughter Annica in Dec. 1653. Jansen seized back cattle that "had been promised". Thomas Southard, had Anthony imprisoned The Govenor freed Anthony by arbitration authories did not settle the matter but Anthony prevailed. Annica and her husband Thomas Southard, left Gravesend...Both Anthony and Grietje continued in buisness and buying and selling of land for which there were many court cases and continued boundary desputes both in court or with town councils. He was accused and fined one beaver skin for harboring a Quaker. Grietje and Anthony had four children, all girls. Grietje born 1602 died about 1669/70. After her death, Anthony moved back to New Amsterdam remarried and where he died in the summer of 1676....Anthony Van Vass Jansen Salee b. 1607 Salee, Morocco; d. 1676 New Amsertdam; m 1) c. 1638 Grietje Reiners; m 2) 1670 Metje Gravenraet. Children 1st marriage...Eva Anotis Jansen b. 1641; Annica m. Thomas Southard; Cornelia m. William Johnson; Sara m. John Emans."

5. Jerome B. Holagte, A.M., American Genealogy, 1848 Albany, N.Y., pg. 17,. "The elder brother [of Joris de Rapalje] William Janssen de Rapalie (sometimes called the Chevalier) in consequence of the disappointment [dissapointed in love] which afflicted him deeply determined to emigrate to America; and having his brother, George (Joris) to accompany him, he set sail in 1623 with Peter Minuit a director for the West India Company, in the ship of Capt. Mey. William never married; died in 1631 [at the hoses of his brother A. J. Van Salers."

6. Tuckerman, Peter Stuyvesant, pg. 29. "The settlement of Gravesend, [Long Island], was begun by a Huguenot named Anthony Salle [Antoine Van Salers], who obtained 200 who obtained 200 acres opposite Coney Island."

7. James Ricker Jr., Annals of Newtown In Queens County New York, The (1982 Hunterdon House Lambert, N.J. [1852 D. Fanshaw 108 Nassau Street New York]), pg. 267-9. Some assert Joris Janssen de Rapalie and Antony Jansen Van Salee of Gravesend were prothers and their family name Jansen. Our early records do not coroborate this statement but go very far to disprove it.

8. Family Tree Maker Family World Tree, CD 734 V734_01V1 Tree #0454, 22 Oct 1998. "454 ANTONY JANSEN VANSALEE. child is: EVA ANTONIA JANSEN, b. 1641."

9. David M. Ricker, Genealogical and Biographical Directory to Persons in New Netherlands From 1613 to 1674 Volumes I, II, III, IV, 2000, CD #11 V011_01V1, Familty Tree Maker's Family Archives, pg. 1644. COMMENTS: Har.= Ricker's History of Harlem; KCo = Bergen's Early Settlers of Kings County, L.I.; CFSev = Seversmith's Colonial Families of Long Island; PA = Pearson's First Settler's of Albany; PS = Pearson's First Settlers of Schnectady; PAT = Nelson's History of The City of Paterson and County of Passaic, N.J.; HHHC = Winfield's History of Hudson County; SCL = Evjen's Scandnavian Immigrants in New York 1660 - 1674 : AnN = Ricker's Annals of Newtown; WP = Davis' Winchester Patriarchs; GNYF = Talcott's Genealogical Notes of New York Families; WNYHS = The New York Abstract of Wills by the New York Historical Society; REC = The New York Genealogical and Biographical Record; NNC = New Netherland Connections. "Family Surname: VanSalee. Immigrant: Anthony Janzen VanSalee. Ethnic orgin: African. Born 1607. Native town: Sallee, Morocco. Patronymic: Janszen.. Approx arrival: 1630. Settled: New Amsterdam New Utrecht, L.I. New York City. Died: 1676 at New York City. married: int. 12/15/1629 Amsterdam Grietje Reyniers wid of Albert Egberts; m 2nd c. 1670 New York City Metje Gravenraet. Prior to comming to New Netherland, Anthony was a seaman. Patron: Anthoniszen. Children: ANNICA b. _ m. prior to 12/22/1653 Thomas Southard of Gravesend. They rem. to Hempstead, L.I. prior to 1670; CORNELIA b. _ m. 2/3/1658 at Flatbush, L. I. Willem Janszen van Berckeloo (Barkeloo) he married 2nd. c. 1666 Lysbeth d/o Jan Claeszen.; SARA b. _; m. Jan. s/o Andries Emans (Emmons) of Gravesend, L.I.; Eva b. 1641 bp. 11/3/1647 NYDC m. c. 1660; Ferdinandus VanSickelen (VanSickle). Reference: KCo. pg. 154-5; RNA see index under van Salee and van Vaes; Rev. Vol. 103 pg. 16-28 & Vol. 118 pg. 210; New York History Magazine Vol. 56 Oct. 1965 "The Troublesome Turk"; DHM Vol. LKII No. 4 Dec. 1990 pg. 2-3."

10. Genalogical Helper, Everton's, Sept/Oct 1990, Everton Publishers, Inc., P.O. Box 368, Logan, Utah 84323-0368, www.everton.com/Fax:435-752-0425. COMMENT: Antone Jansen Van Salleee Mrs. James D. Miller Jr. Box 2556 ____ 99901.

11. Family Tree Maker Family World Tree, CD 7__ V7??_01 Tree #???. " ANTHONY JANSEN VAN SALEE He married GRIETJE REINIERS Child is: CORNELIA VAN SALEE, b. Abt. 1638; d. Bef. December 16, 1666.-----> CORNELIA VAN SALEE was born Abt. 1638, and died Bef. December 16, 1666. She married WILLEM JANSEN VAN BORCKELOO February 1657/58 in Long Island, New Netherland, son of JAN. He was born in Borculo, Zutphen, Gelderland, Netherlands, and died 1683 in Long Island. Children are: JAN WILLIAMSEN BORCKLO; JANNETJE WILLEMSE BARKELOO m. JAN BARENTS VAN DRIEST, 1679; CORNELIA WILLEMSE BARKELOO,."

12. Family Tree Maker World Family Tree: European Origins, Vol. 1 (1997, CD #802 V802_01), Tree #180. COMMENTS: This CD has been selected from World Family Tree Volumes 1 - 12. "180 JAN VAN SALEE was born Abt. 1585 Child is: ANTHONY JANSEN VAN SALEE, b. 1607, MURCIA, SPAIN; d. 1676, NEW NETHERLANDS, NY. ------> ANTHONY JANSEN VAN SALEE was born 1607 in MURCIA, SPAIN, and died 1676 in NEW NETHERLANDS, NY. He married GRIETJE REINERS 1638. She was born Abt. 1610, and died April 24, 1666 in NEW NETHERLANDS, NY. Child is: SARAH ANTONISE VAN SALEE, b. Abt. 1643, NEW NETHERLANDS, NY d. Abt. 1680."

13. Family Tree Maker Family World Tree, CD 701 V701_01 1995 Tree #1328. "1328 ANTON JANSEN VAN SALEE Child is: EVA VAN SALEE."

14. Family Tree Maker Family World Tree, CD #706 V706_01 Tree #4268, 342. "4268 ANTHONY JANSE was born in Holland, and died 1676 in Gravesend, Brooklyn, New York. He married GRIETJE REYNIERS Child is: EVA JANSEN VAN SALAE, b. 1641, Kings County, New York."

15. Family Tree Maker Family World Tree, CD #705 V705_01 Tree #3466. "3466 ANTHONY JANSEN VAN SALEE . He married GRIETJE REINIERS. Child is: CORNELIA VAN SALEE, b. Abt. 1638;d. Bef. December 16, 1666."

16. Family Tree Maker Family World Tree, CD #737 V737_01 Tree #1386, 104. "1386 ANTONY JANSEN VAN SALEE Child is: EVA ANTONIS JANSEN, b. 1641, Holland

104 ANTONY JANSEN VANSALEE Child is: EVA ANTONIA JANSEN,."

17. Family Tree Maker Family World Tree, CD 7__ V7??_01 Tree #???. " ANTHONY JANSEN VAN SALEE He married GRIETJE REINIERS Child is: CORNELIA VAN SALEE, b. Abt. 1638; d. Bef. December 16, 1666.-----> CORNELIA VAN SALEE was born Abt. 1638, and died Bef. December 16, 1666. She married WILLEM JANSEN VAN BORCKLOO February 1657/58 in Long Island, New Netherland, son of JAN. He was born in Borculo, Zutphen, Gelderland, Netherlands, and died 1683 in Long Island. Children are: JAN WILLIAMSEN BORCKLO; JANNETJE WILLEMSE BARKELOO m. JAN BARENTS VAN DRIEST, 1679; CORNELIA WILLEMSE BARKELOO,."

18. Tenius G. Bergen, Bergen Family or the Desc. of Hans Hansen Bergen, One of the Early Settlers of New York & Brooklyn, Long Island, The, P g. 19 - 20, CS/71/B49/1866 & 1876. " Antony Jansen van Vaas from Salee, generally written Antony Jansen Van Salee, and designated in addition in portions of our early records with the appellation of "Turk" who on being banished from New Amsterdam in consquence of improper condut on his part and that of his wife Grietje Reiners obtained in 1639 from director Kieft a grant of 100 morgens (200 acres) on the west end of Long Island, partly in the present town of New Utrecht and Gravesend, on which he located and became the first settler in said towns, probably in consequence of the word Jansen, (meaning the son of Jan,) being common to both names, is fancied by some writers to have been a brother of Jores Jansen de Rapalie, but this there is no proof, nor is this coroborated by our early records, then on the contrary going far to disprove it."

out of this this is the wife I have listed Metje or Metji Gravenraet

Anita, as Terry says, this is an item that curators have been asking for. Terry, good news that Geni will be adding! I hadn't heard that yet.

Judi, I'm sure others like Brittany would appreciate it if you could please upload these as sources to the appropriate profile. Some sources are, of course, more reliable than others and having these at hand will allow people to make up their minds.

Thank you Judi for the information. I added a bunch as "documents" to his profile. I still don't see anywhere that has Jan (Anthony's father) also marrying a Metje Gravenrest to corroborate the story that Metje was Anthony's mother as someone listed on the tree. I was able though, through some shuffling, to finally change Anthony's mother, but I still can not remove Metje as a partner of Jan's since her manager has not been on Geni in so long.

Hi Brittany

You know that curators can assist on a sourced out profile in correcting extra / incorrect parents / marriages I think? Just post the request in the Curator Assist please discussion with LINKS to the profile and a quick explanation

... "need a geni disinheritance"
... "need a geni divorce"

Indeed the source info should be in the profile to back up the argument.
....

Thanks, Erica! I guess somehow things just got sidetracked and we got onto a side issue. On page 74 of this discussion is my original request to reassign Anthony's parents to the correct set. I have since merged the two father profiles, but the incorrect mother still needs to be "divorced" I guess from Anthony's father. You're always such a big help, Erica!

I will in fact beg you to repost the link. :) Do you know the correct mother? Children *for some reason* are carried on the MOTHER'S profile, can't imagine why :) :) So we need to be careful that the children don't become "orphaned" instead of "re-assigned."

<killing myself with the puns here sorry>

Haha. No problem. The mother issue seems to be resolved now since I did some shuffling, but Metje is still incorrectly listed as a wife of Anthony's father and I can't get rid of her.

This is Anthony: Antony Jansen “du Turck” van Salee
This is the correct mother: Margarita
And this is the woman who is still incorrectly marked as Anthony's father's wife/partner (who was actually Anthony's wife): Metje Andries Grevenraet

Thanks again. You rock!

Brittany Christine Jenkins

Done. Double check!

Rest In Peace Elizabeth Taylor

Can I get a curator to mark her deceased (23 March 2011) ? Thanks.

Mike - Done.

Elizabeth should be a MP

Eldon Lester Clark@eldon, done

Elizabeth's seven? husbands have disappeared.

Eldon, I see them in the "Immediate Family" module on the Overview tab. The text next to the profile photo has never included ex-spouses.

Curators,

I wish to give you a head's up on this issue:

I found today that on William Booth c. 1498 his family relationships had been deleted by another individual. I have updated his profile with his parents and 3 siblings (I did not want to create any more duplicates that necessary to fix this profile)
William BOOTH
M, b. circa 1498
William BOOTH was born circa 1498 at Of Barton, Eccles, Lancashire, England.3 He received his endowment on 8 November 1939

William BOOTH|b. c 1498Father* William BOOTH , Knight b. c 1473, d. 19 Nov 1519
Mother* Ellen MONTGOMERY b. c 1475

Siblings that I added today: Edward b 1496, Margaret (Constable) b 1500 and Dorothy 1510.

Thank you,
Jacqueli

Barbara

A great question. My answer would be to "stow the profile in a Project until someone builds out his tree again."

I am not familiar enough with the gentleman or family to suggest an appropriate project --- existing or new. Could you and I'll help you get him permitted to it?