ATTENTION Curators, please assist

Thank you! It was in a mess this morning when I was trying to figure it all out. Some things a regular person can not fix all by themselves.

Jessica Marie German I have a "stuck" data conflict and opened a ticket for CS to resolve it.

The foster parents of Joseph Backs are Philip van Gelder and
Elise "Lissie" Cohen

Josef Backs

I found now that the mother is Anna Backs, father unknown and other family unknown.
How to handle this in Geni

http://help.geni.com/entries/427332-Support-for-Adoptive-Parents please vote here!! been two years and geni hasn't fixed it.. I too have adoptees..

Michael - a feature enhancement was never broken. :)

It's a difficult software question apparently. There are different workarounds depending on when & where & what's most important to your own family to see in a tree.

Anyone care to explain why Geni shows my relationship path to Alexander Stubb, 13th President of Finland as 24th cousin but shows my wife as his 10th cousin?

Surely it should be displaying my path as "wife's 10th cousin"?

Further, when relationship path is pinned to him and i visit m own profile i get no path what so ever, not even the display portion at the top of m screen, nothing?

yeah Alex Moes i've got that problem too I have a paper off geni trail that says william douglas of new london that should be my 10th great grandfather.. geni has it correct but the
path goes thru his mother to get to him from my end when it should go
deacon willian douglas his son william his son richard his son william his son william his son samuel his son samuel his son henry his daugther her son my mother me...

Paths are cached and choose the route of least expensive computing time.

Walk the tree manually, profile by profile. Pros can ask for a path recalculation. I dont think that is available to basic users.

any way it gets there is fine with me just as long as it's correct..

Ah, i see that as a different issue Michael, don't set me off about indirect paths!

Erica, can you expand slightly on "cached"? I don't believe i have eve visited that profile before and i got those two pathways within minutes of each other.

I do occasionally notice the little grey recalc button but not ver often.

If you get it fast, it's cached. If it needs to build the path, then it will store those results on the server so next time you'll get it fast.

In other words, it may not be from you, but from what's detected as your nearest relative to the cached path.

But seriously - if I want to know my actual relationship on a blood line, I take the time to walk from profile to profile and inspect each and every profile for accuracy, data conflicts, tree conflicts, documentation, etc.

That's why I never make it to Charlemagne. Too much work to do before I get there. I trust the math / odds, but not my tree.

Dear Erica Howton,
Of course that can work, hopefully, on an individual basis, but as discussed with Mike previously, it appears to be connected to the recent updates. He asked that I update if I saw it continuing. Some did seem to "stick" for more than 12 hours, but have since reverted to an unmerged state.
Thanks,
Jessie German

Yes, I waited I think 2 days, and my case is an oddball - I think there was a network hiccup that locked the record, because I've had no trouble with many other data resolves.

I dont care what m actual path to the profile in question is so i am not going to waste time following it, how would i even know whee to go?

Makes the algorithm seem like a load of junk when two profiles that are right next to each other on the tree can result in such dramatically different results .

I haven't found that to be the case. I have found the Geni algorithm does for me something joyous - it expands my tree so I can explore new lines & learn new history.

Alex, if I am understanding your "situation" with the "chain of relatives" I can empathize. I just finished working on one of my 8th ggfs who came up as "the husband of my 8th grandmother"... with more research I found that the ggf was connected to ggm and 2 of the children, but wasn't connected as the father to my 7th ggf--only the mother was listed. Soooo with much work in straightening out the tree at that point, all 12 of the children now have both a mother AND father and he now shows as my 8th ggf!!! Sooo there may be someone NOT correctly or completely connected in the tree.

It is or can become a major headache if you get a weird chain, but can alert you to look more closely at those in it to find out why. Thus Erica's suggestion of going profile/generation by profile/generation is a valid suggestion if having a correct chain is important or necessary. Otherwise consider it FYI...
I personally love the chain of relatives shown & esp. seeing how I am connected--esp to cousins!

Good luck in figuring out why there is a difference--it may be something small or major in the tree... (esp. if there have been merges...) This is one of the reasons I go back in time generation by generation, making sure that everything is as correct as I can be sure of before moving further back in time (esp. as I am relying on work done by others!). If I connect to someone waaaaay down the line (or is it up the line???), and I am not to that generation, I "consider the source" for the chain until I have "proof" that it is valid and go back to where I am sure & work my way to that person.

Michael on hiatus... I went to the site you mentioned about adoptive/foster parents and not only voted, but added my 2 cents! If everyone went to that site and voted &/or made comments, maybe the powers that be would put this issue at the top of their "to do" list!!!! There were a lot of suggestions that seemed viable for resolving this issue! Three plus years is a long time to be waiting for a solution!!!!

Michael alex madam Scoggin

i wish too geni update a new category(classification) for (chosen children) majority of french dont use the word adopt ,,its for animal
i adopt a cat i adopt a dog..an animal.
but as human being its not appropriate to say adopt
maybe in your own language but not into mine.

plz raise your brain cell at the level of respect of those FAMILY. that give a chance and share their life and secrets to those abandoned in life children
and for biological parents ..it is say its only biological in definition.

maybe you can find a remplacement apropriate word into english vocabulary. alternate parents seems to be good as Pam Wilson sugests. http://help.geni.com/entries/427332-Support-for-Adoptive-Parents February 04, 2011
or geni translated into french only can have this option
of the word precision.

martin

Patricia/Erica,

I don't need to follow 25 generations to check for suspicious links, i already know the path is wrong because the profile in question is my wife's 10th cousin, as i said already.
The correct relationship for me should display as "wife's 10th cousin" not "24th cousin".
If I can work that out in less than a minute how can we have any confidence in the algorithm?

Martin,

I don't actually have any desire for Geni to show adoptive relationships, i have already been lectured on how culturally insensitive my attitude is but i stand by it.
"Adoption" is a very specific legal process, if Geni were to use a different term (in English) it could never carry the same meaning.
In my opinion an explanation in the About should be sufficient to cover adoption, if people dont care enough to read the About then they are unlikely to care much about an adoptive relationship, n'est-ce pas?

ok. can we steer it back into safer waters now? Alex Moes you've never been that way with me in terms of being culturally insensitive and I thank you for that.

Alex - you're bothered by a server message without identifying the tree error that a curator can inspect ? If you want assistance - post a link, otherwise it's just semantics.

Martin - if the word " adopt" isn't translating properly in French language Geni you can help get that fixed through the inline translation utility. Best off raising one of the French curators for assistance on that.

This tool helps to identify tree errors such as incomplete merges that can result in path anomalies

http://www.geni.com/projects/HistoryLink/14021

Giving it a try now....

Interesting. It has turned up some Problem Profiles in the Marshal family that only a Curator can fix, because they are Deathlocked against anyone below that rank.

Specifically, Isabel de Clare, heiress of Pembroke has a Parent Conflict that ONLY a Curator can resolve - and the stupid part of it is that the "conflict" involves a Master Profile and a blank shell.

Private User fixed

Specifically it's what i would call an incomplete merge. 3 techniques to resolve if the profiles are not fully locked, one probably works even if.

1. Drag & drop the correct parent on the empty (extra) parent / spouse node
2. Run the "conflict resolution" tool (yellow triangle)
3. Remove the extra "parent + blank" relationship in "edit / relationships" tab

I chose door number 3 because I'm madam speedy with a scalpel

Tried #1 - profile Deathlocked, no permission to add.
Tried #2 - same problem.
Profile was not Editable for me, I'm just a lowly Pro.

Richard "Strongbow" de Clare, 2nd Earl of Pembroke has one Duplicate parent and one blank.

Cannot drag & drop - no permission to move.
Cannot use the yellow triangle routine - no permission to add.
Cannot access the Relationships tab, cannot edit the profile AT ALL - it's Deathlocked.

Well, that was fast! :-D Thanks, Erica!

Here's another Deathlocked profile needing parental merge or removal: Eleanor of Leicester, Countess of Pembroke & Leicester