ATTENTION Curators, please assist

Yes, - and similar, even more complex problems, - but they all go on personal feelings and might involve way to many parameters, often not known by the system.
I would never dream about calling the man which moved together with my mother fifteen years after I moved out and ten years after my father died, as a step father.

Alex, people have different definitions. The curators discussed this a long time ago, at great length. I don't know if the users have ever spent any time discussing it.

The way you see it, "by no no stretch could he be thought of as Jannis' step father." I think that's probably the most common point of view, but I see it differently.

I always call my father's first wife my step-mother, and I call her son by a later marriage my step-brother. It seems more inclusive and more respectful to me. And, it pleases her children without costing me anything ;)

Yes, it's a simple human question but perhaps for the programmers it is just too hard or not worth the effort.

Alex, it's an interesting question. It might be worth a separate thread to see the varieties of opinion. Always interesting to read how widely people disagree on a subject like this.

I have a book, American Kinship: A Cultural Account, by David M. Schneider (University of Chicago Press, 1968, 1980) that explores this subject in detail. The author's conclusion is that families are not really as biological as we might think, and that kinship terms have more to do with whether you like someone than with rules.

I could be wrong, but my impression was that Geni listened to the feedback it was getting about kinship terms and made the conscious decision to be more inclusive than exclusive.

Sounds like the adoption lecture all over again :)

Justin, I just remembered you have a book shop. .. How about loaning me that book ;)

Good morning! Could someone please unlink Thomas Eliot, Of Widford from William Greenleaf Eliot, Sr.

Thanks!

Leslie, done.

Thanks Shmuel-Ahron!

Alex, that book is long out of print. The good ones genealogists want always are ;)

In this case it wouldn't be hard to get a used copy:

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?an=david+schneider&am...

Hello,
I have stumbled into quite a mess in the Eliot line. I have tried to fix what I can, but I can only do so much. For starters, all the children of Margaret Sheppey need to be added as children to John "Sr, the elder" Eliot, of Bishops Stortford

For reference, please see the article, Ancestry of Bennet Eliot of Nazeing, Essex, Father of Seven Great Migration Immigrants To Massachusetts, by William Wyman Fiske at the following links :

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&sour...

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&sour...

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&sour...

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&sour...

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&sour...

Thanks!

Hi, Private

Is it that you can't move the children of Margaret to her relationship with John, Sr., or is it that you don't know how?

If the latter: in Tree View, click the little Edit on the child's profile box. Then, in that "overlay" box, select the Relationship tab. Once there, you should be able to select from the "Drop-down" list of possible parents (at the top of the "overlay" box) to select the proper relationship. That's a lot quicker than disconnecting each child from the 'wrong' relationship and dropping them back onto the 'correct' relationship.

If it is a "can't" problem, let us know!

Hi Dan Cornett
The problem is that I don't collaborate with the manager of the children and I can't even see the relationship tab.

Private User,
Have a look at this page; http://www.dutchjewry.org/genealogy/ashkenazi/13411.htm.
Solomon Edershein and his wife Ester Meyer Wolf had two daughters with the exact same name; Judith Solomon Edersheim.

The first Judith, born in 1768, den Haag, (died 28 Aug 1831, Meppel) and was married to Simon Mozes Goldsmit.

The second one was born in 1772, den Haag, (died Amsterdam), and married Manus Cosman Kijzer.

The first Judith, born 1768 was not married to Simon Mozes Goldsmit according to the site. Can you remove Mozes as the husband of Judith 1768? If you can it might help you to see if anything else needs to be done.

Private User I believe it is two people. It's not the first time I have seen siblings with the same or similar names in the big Dutch Jewish tree.
ie. http://www.dutchjewry.org/genealogy/ashkenazi/2171.htm - my 5th GGF Samuel had two siblings named Salomon

or my 4th GGM Kaatje Polak whose sister Catharina has a similar name.

Ed Forman passed away 5/10/2014
I can edit some of his profile, but the option for deceased isn't on his edit profile page. Can a curator please update...thanks!

It is a claimed profile, - you have to use the Report option to report him as deceased.

Private User,
I don't know why using the @ couldn't find me. I even tried a few new names in the discussion and the @ found them.

When I find siblings of same or similar name I ask a curator to MP them with curator notes to avoid future confusion.

Private User and Steve Jaron - can you identify all the cases you are referring to?

Perhaps Private User will oblige as the curator in these cases as she has already somewhat investigated.

Private User done

Private User
parents are fixed :-)

Private User "Ann" is not possible for me to use in @ - I know too many people who start off that way. However, if I write @ Ver, I get you right off. It was a revelation to me that you could use other than the first name with @ completion. Makes life MUCH easier!

Private User,
I only locked one of the profiles. All I did on some of the others was to lock some names. If you wish me to alter some of yours I certainly will. But by keeping them the way they are on the 2 Intersites it's easier to tell them apart. I hope you're content now.

Private User,
I have no idea how many I've merged. I started on this family early this morning. I only locked Manus Cosman Keijzer's name for identification purposes.

Private User
i spent a whole Sunday afternoon sorting this out. hope you didn't merge too many of them, because I don't want to do it all over again ( ;

Harald Tveit Alvestrand

funny. i tried @Ram and it worked ( :

zombie

Hendrika Schuijer

Private User Done, claimed profile with an active manager so can't be made public.

I have numerous duplicates of close family members entered by me.

Most of the duplicates are of deceased persons, and all of the duplicates are private.

The two individuals who entered these duplicates do not respond to merge requests or requests for collaboration. I tried both, since they are connected to me and my Family Group by short step paths only one marriage from blood relatives. I have ascertained from one Curator that both of these individuals are recently active on Geni, although they have chosen to cloak their Recent Activity from others, in addition to keeping their entire trees private. This Curator has recommended that I take my case to this public Discussion.

In case I am going about this incorrectly, rather than stack them all, I will give the most notable example, my recently deceased first cousin 2x removed, Henry Madoff, about whom I had a recent discussion with Curators about posting the obits of the recently deceased:

Henry Robert Madoff, M.D.

One of the duplicates is here (incorrectly surnamed and incorrectly listed as Henry's half brother)

Unknown Profile

The other duplicate is here:

Unknown Profile

I would say there are about 20 or so merges that need to be made and then corrected. But since I am dealing with unresponsive managers, I need Curator assistance to clean up their mess.

Please let me know if I need to go through each erroneous profile, report each, prove that each is deceased and/or prove that the name is incorrect, etc.

If Curators agree with me, that would make the incorrectly private profiles public, but what is the mechanism for effecting a merge if the target manager is unresponsive?

On a broader note, I would also like to know if Geni plans to change deceased profiles from private to public across the board. I found some discussions by Randy Schoenberg and others favoring that, but nothing concrete announcing that or indicating whether this issue is still under consideration. To me, listing deceased profiles as private is either disingenuous, ignorant, or counter to Geni's mission of creating a true World Tree. But that's just my two cents.

Thank you.

Private User,
the manager of your requested merges, Judy Boxer, has an abandoned tree and when I reported this, the Geni computer could be could to manage her profiles.

Not only that, her tiny tree with only a 15 profiles, is NOT connected to the 'Geni World Tree'. There is nothing that curators can do to help.

Whenever you see the following red banner (see below) at the bottom of a merge request you'll know the next time that the merge possibly won't ever take place.

" These profiles are in different trees. Caution: Merging these profiles will merge their trees and could require merging other duplicate profiles."