ATTENTION Curators, please assist

Maybe people think i am Mike Stangel i am honured but i am not.. as questions how do i block how do i handle smart matches and such should be addressed by him.. I really think we should have a big link to a frequently asked questions forum on the front page when you log in but even then i dobut it would help

see why i have no faith things will not change untill you know what freezes over now Terry Jackson (Switzer)?

Monica M McDonald it is interesting you did not respond to any of things I accused you of regarding sharing of the tree.

I was initially in your facebook group to meet and invite people onto the geni tree. Instead, you and Sonia used it to issue lies about me and the objection of the geni tree which is why I removed myself.

You asked me to remove an obituary off of geni regarding your family member. You said you found it disrespectful to the rest of your family. I followed what you said and deleted it since the thought of disrespecting anyone especially at a time of mourning would not be apart of my personality. It never made sense though since you do not invite any of your family members here so they would not view it. Second of all, an obituary is in a public newspaper so how private is that?

So, since everyone has to go to you for their ancestral information, do they have to be nice to you? I am concerned you are purposely using this ancestral information over peoples heads. Monica you are not an easy person to get along with. And, it is obviously not me who is trying to control what is happening on the tree...but you! You want to be the one in control of all your ancestral information which is why you keep it to yourself. You are the one preventing others from learning of their ancestry.

Your brother in law last week deleted one of my managed profiles. When I asked why, he did not respond. YOU HAVE NO RIGHT REMOVING MY PROFILES OR SOURCES EVEN IF IT IS REGARDING YOUR FAMILY!!! The purpose of our team on geni is to share our ancestry with others. Geni has the same beliefs which is why it has its connections with facebook. Geni tree definitely is not for you. You have your own philosophy. You need to be on ancestry.com where they give you the option to make your information private. You do not have to share it with anyone. In fact, you can take it to your grave if you want to. I am sure your family would appreciate that (sarcasm).

Why not remove yourself off of my tree? I asked you that from the beginning. I made a mistake by inviting you onto my tree but you can start your own tree elsewhere. You can even be on geni and have your own separate tree not connected to mine but for whatever reason you choose to be apart of my tree when you don't have to be. I apologize to everyone on geni for addressing this publicly in this forum. I am still looking for a solution though. I hope that geni customer service has a way of dividing the tree so we can go our separate ways. I would gladly do so if you can agree please Monica to do that.

Sandra Levien

why doesn't some one do us all a favor and use the block button?

Private User have you opened a ticket for Customer Service assistance?

Private User Customer Service can also contact you to assist in your wishes: as a PRO member, Sandra is entitled to priority support if she opens the ticket.

This link: http://help.geni.com/requests/new

Or from the bottom of every Geni page, HELP hyperlink, "submit a request"

Once profiles have been merged they are part of the "shared tree.". However co managers can "relinquish management" (profile view > actions menu > manager options > X to remove yourself) if it is desired to not be part of the shared tree.

The block option is for private Geni mail correspondence (prevents from seeming them).

Deleting a co managed profile can be reverted from http://www.geni.com/list/deleted

See this FAQ entry:

http://help.geni.com/entries/471518-How-can-I-undelete-a-profile-I-...

Wesley Hanson I would also suggest you open a ticket. Perhaps CS can assist in clearing up misunderstandings with the other gentleman.

I need to correct myself on the "block" option. See, I should have looked at the FAQ!

From http://help.geni.com/entries/21453997-How-can-I-block-another-Geni-...

By adding someone to the Blocked Users list:

* Any family group or collaborator relationship is removed
* They can't contact you

Erica Isabel Howton - I have been contacted by a volunteer curator and he has been helpful and understanding of my stance in regards to what has been said between Sandra and I. She hasn't told the whole story but I'm sure people will see that she is the one that is aggressive and not me.

Sandra Levien - I cannot be bothered with you so rant away and my response from now will be !!!.

But thanks everyone (except Sandra) for your contributions. I have been liaising with the volunteer curator and will continue to and try to resolve things in a way that I am happy with.

Thank you all for your assistance. Will try to resolve this mess with Customer Service. I do apologize again if anyone was upset by these posts.

Sandra, I am puzzled why you are ranting at Monica when you said yourself it was her brother in law who deleted one of your profiles. Also, if a profile is deleted you are given the option to un-delete it but very often a deletion is simply because 2 duplicate profiles have been merged into one. It is alarming to hear that a profile you manage has been deleted but less so when you discover that actually it's still there, all you need to do is make sure you still have access to edit it should you wish.
I hope that with Customer service's assistance you can come to an amiacable arrangement and that you both continue to use and enjoy the Geni experience. Work together to find out who else you are related to. It's much more pleasant.

Terry I will respond to that. I do not know Monica's brother-in-law and I can only assume that since he is in very close relationship to her that she would be fully aware of the removal of a profile. Otherwise, it is odd that someone with only one profile added would do such a thing don't you think?

Private User

And I did undelete the profile and asked him why he deleted it but got no response. This was not a situation where two duplicate profiles were merged into one as you suggested.

Granted I cannot prove if Monica had knowledge of this. But regardless, Terry you have also read in Monica's posts where she has said several times and I quote she would not remove any profiles unless "they relate to mine and my extended family where permission hasn't been sought".

So Terry I will ask you some questions:

1. If someone you invited onto your tree told you to remove sources of information about their family would you do it?

2. If that person continues adding profiles up to 18 century or even 17th century as her cousin Sonia has without any sources, would you like that?

3. If that person continues to block all their profiles, only put initials to names, duplicates your profiles, etc., how would you feel about that?

I am not an irrational person. If she is someone you can work with like many others then there would not be an issue. But you cannot work with someone who refuses to share information and keep it to herself...plain and simple. The geni tree has benefited her more than anyone else since no one trusts her profiles and she has the opportunity to view the rest of the tree. The best outcome for all of us is if our trees are separated. I am hoping that customer service will do that.

Sandra Levien

The differences in philosophy and practice between Sandra and Monica demonstrate why, in my opinion, it is advisable to touch base / communicate with a Manager before merging trees -- and if the philosophies and/or practices are too different, perhaps leave the trees separate for the time being, even tho you know it is really a match. And why I think Curators should hold off on forcibly merging private profiles where there are active participants on both sides, without having touched base with both sides.

(I know not relevant to the problem above - but a way to avoid some similar situations in future.)

Lois, just as a clarification.

Curators have "no special rights" in UN connected trees (trees that are not part of the World Family Tree). This is, I am gathering, what's needed here, & that CS should be able to assist Monica with.

Erica --

1] as clarification - When I wrote above comment re: Curators was not thinking about Standalone Trees, because I understood that.

2] how is above about UN connected trees?? Any tree or profile cut off from the World Tree is still officially part of the World Tree, not standalone -- once the flag is set, it can never be unset -- or so I recall seeing someone explain in one of these discussions.

Correct - once the flag is set, "my" tree no longer exists, you are part of the "shared tree", and subject to those terms of service, business policies, and practices.

Terry Jakson (Swizer) - I do share information of my tree (ask two of Sandra's collaborators) and I have no problems, I just don't want any dealings with Sandra so I set my tree to 4th cousin so what is her problem, They have realised profiles they have merged are wrong with the information they have inputted and mine was correct and we are trying to resolve it. I have added them as managers and because Sandra cant see some of my profiles she got an attitude. i have added to her tree but she doesn't appreciate that or acknowledge as believe it or not some of her relatives are my blood relatives. She keeps saying my tree is incorrect and has bad info so why does she keep harping on about me sharing info with her. Sandra get over it!!

Ah - now I understand one of the issues. A private profile shows as initial (I think). So it would be difficult to know if correct or not .... Of course the intermediary, who is in communication & within the family group, can verify.

Thank you for that Monica, I learned something!

my quote that she Sandra Levien refers to:'I HAVE NEVER REMOVED ANY OF YOUR SOURCES RELATING TO YOUR FAMILY AND WOULDN'T only if they relate to mine and my extended family where permission hasn't been sought'. Yes I said it but if you read it properly it doesnt mean that I have ever done it. And if I were to it would we with regard to pictures that I or other family members would not like to be put in any forum because although we use Geni it doesnt mean they do - or if the info is incorrect. Contrary to what Sandra thinks she and her collaborators are not always correct as within our trees there are many duplicate names and it is easy to put the wrong info but if one realises this then you would delete the profile and input the correct info or wait until you are absolutely sure before putting on the tree. Some family members who are not on GEni are interested in looking at the family tree but don't actively contribute. If a profile is correct and it is backed up with sources why would I remove it which I have never done. I hope now this is the end because I as said before Sandra is being personal towards me and being aggressive about it and I have remained calm. I didnt want to comment again but I cant let her keep bashing me without responding.

Yes Erica, a private profile does have initials. I've been here long enough to know the difference and that is not what I was speaking about.

Unfortunately, Monica thinks this is solely about me and her when I am also speaking on behalf of many complaints.

Can we now end this thread please? We don't need anymore input. I already said it will be taken care of by Customer Service.

Yes please do end this thread and Sandra stop bringing my name up. I think sensible people will know that you are being irrational. I am and will continue to liaise with customer service.

Public knowledge is exactly that.......PUBLIC......an obit is created from info provided by that family of the deceased......
Find a grave is created from physical monuments and cemetery records (and ar also often enhanced because a good number of the memorial managers are related.....

Genealogies and Town Histories almost always have the name of the author among the names listed in the volume, with a brief biography.

LDS/Mormon familysearch is devived from prublic information (census, birth, death, marriage, notices or certificates.......

Geni is NOT Facebook or a gossip column and serious genealogists try very hard to get the family's correct.....including the connections to other family's.......and leave the drama to the exploits of the profiles, not those of the ancestors.

From one person who almost recently became an ancestor.....but somehow am still here.

Peace be with you, all. Each and every one of you. And I wish all of my cousins a Happy Passover and Easter etc. weekend!!!!
xoxoxoRenée

"From one person who almost recently became an ancestor.....but somehow am still here ...."

Welcome back, Fay!

Thank you, Renée, and same back at you.

Aldonza Enríquez de Quiñones, Seńora de Elx y Crevillente
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Aldonza Enríquez de Quiñones, Seńora de Elx y Crevillente
Birth: 1450
Death: circa 1450 (1 day) with children ???

Aldonza Enríquez de Quiñones, Seńora de Elx y Crevillente

William Owen "Bill" Irwin,
Someone must have accidentally added Aldonza' birth date as her date of death. I added a link from Geneall and also the information about her and her family to her 'about' section. I would imagine that her birth date is probably +/- 1400.

I found this doing the "Research this person":

Aldonza Cardona (born EnrÍquez)
MyHeritage Family Trees
Marina Herreros Ten in Herreros-Galan Web Site, managed by Sebastià Herreros (Contact)
Birth: 1450
Death: Oct 18 1520
Parents: Fadrique ENRÍQUEZ, Teresa Fernández de ENRÍQUEZ (nacida QUIÑONES)
Siblings: Juana ARAGÓ (nacida ENRÍQUEZ), María ÁLVAREZ DE TOLEDO (nacida ENRÍQUEZ), Enrique ENRÍQUEZ, Pedro ENRÍQUEZ, Marina ENRÍQUEZ, <Private> ENRÍQUEZ, Leonor ENRÍQUEZ, Francisco ENRÍQUEZ, Alonso ENRÍQUEZ, Inés ACUÑA (nacida ENRÍQUEZ)
Husband: Joan Ramon Folc IV de CARDONA
Children: Ferran Joan Ramon Folc de CARDONA, <Private> URREA (nacida CARDONA), Teresa de CARDONA, Pere de CARDONA, Enric de CARDONA, Lluís de CARDONA, Joana de MANRIQUE DE LARA (nacida CARDONA), Antoni de CARDONA, Elisabet de ARAGÓN Y GURREA (nacida CARDONA), Alfons de CARDONA

Every single one has 1450 for a birth date and 1520 for a death date, except this one which actually gives a day and month.

Happy Day,

Susie

Frances "Fannie" Longfellow (Appleton)

Hello. In trying to move someone from one set of parents to another (she was incorrectly connected), the profile instead connected to two sets of parents and cannot be changed. When I try to remove the invalid set (should be Nathan & Mary Appleton, NOT John Sparhawk Appleton), I'm told that removing the relationships would result in a split tree.

Could someone help me resolve this?

John Sparhawk Appleton, Jr. has been disconnected from Frances "Fannie" Longfellow (Appleton)

Did you want to try merging them into their curated Master Profiles?