ATTENTION Curators, please assist

http://help.geni.com/entries/32628430-fix-tags- please vote up this idea!

Steve Jaron

When I go the profile for Edna, I see:

"No path found to edna lehmann."

There's nothing to be done I'm afraid; her tree cannot be merged in. Luckily it's only 30 profiles.

Loretta Alexandra, M268111

I'm probably being blind but I'm not seeing a Constanza de Castilla profile, daughter of Pedro the cruel by Isabel de Castro, & wife of John of Gaunt.

If there's a genealogy question on Constance (who was her mother?) we can address by starting a discussion on the profile. Good to review the evidence.

If it's a straightforward merge etc - no genealogy question - any curator can do.

Thanks Erica - though I do wish there was something I could do.

Thanks for your response Erica. My mistake! These are 2 different women and they are related.

Constance of Castile, wife of John of Gaunt, is Constanza de Castilla's 1st cousin once removed.

Constance of Castile's tree:
http://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000001935232668

Constanza of Castilla's tree:
http://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000012000423390

When i added my father's name, my mother was automatically noted as his wife. My parents were NOT married. Can the information display differently? Right now it is not accurate for the reason stated above.

Hello Mary, you can edit their relationship by opening a profile, choose edit the profile (on the right menu). When in edit mode, you can choose the "relationship" tab, here you can choose your parents relationship as: married, partner, expartner, fiancé, exfiance.

You can also use the tree view, choose edit on one of the profiles and you will find the same as above..

Welcome to Geni, Mary! David's advice is great.

As you 'build-out' your tree, be sure to add details such as dates & locations for the profiles of deceased persons (even if you chose not to do so for living persons -- just, know, however, that the profiles of living persons are "private" and can't be viewed by those outside your "family group")

Thanks for joining in ... and we'll hope you get connected into the Geni World Tree soon.

I'm sorry Dan,
but from all private profiles the relations, mother, father, siblings, children, date of birth, date of death can be seen in the showed lists by every user who uses the search function for the surname !
That is a problem re the privacy in Geni and this way looking to private profiles every user can reconstruct complete private pedigrees !!!

... assuming one has a Geni account and is logged into Geni (as opposed to a general Internet search). Those 'basic facts' of living persons can often be found in public records (in many locales). If those 'basic facts' about living persons are a concern, then don't put them in.

What can NOT be viewed (logged into Geni or not) are the 'non-basic facts' (marriage data, work/school, personal characteristics) and information in the "About" for those private profiles.

Our Dutch privacy laws forbid to publish facts that can identify living persons, so parents,partners, siblings, children,years of birth and death are not allowed to publish.

I would like help with this merge:
http://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000020306929614

When the parents are quite clear here ( see dates ) but when I try to assign them I get an error message saying that such a merge will split the tree.

What do I do?

Private User look at the relationships menu of the profile and remove the incorrect parents - the merge triangle will then be easy to complete. Let me know if you need further help.

Hello Curators. I need your advice please. I had invited a person by the name of Monica M McDonald onto my tree some time ago. I later realized she is only sabotaging my tree and I asked her to leave. I also asked geni for help but no reply. She recently duplicated many of my profiles and merged them together. Now it states how we are both managing the profiles. She has made several errors. These profiles are closer to my family members and it is very upsetting to me. I have put a lot of work into this area of this tree which she has destroyed. She refuses to cooperative, show any sources, only puts initials on some profiles, privatizes the profiles, etc. One of my team members, Betty requested from her to be added as manager of the shared profiles so she can fix the duplicates. Betty has done her best but there are still more. I do not want to be sharing profiles with Monica. Adding Monica and her cousin are my biggest regrets I have on geni. Please suggest what I should do. This is an example of one of the profiles:

Henry Watt McCalla

I have not merged any profiles that pertain to Sandra Alison Levien's family profiles. In fact it has been other members within her family that happen to have the same profiles. The only profiles I have merged are to do with my own family that are not directly connected to her. Sandra is manager to many of my family profiles that she has no blood connection to and I have asked her to add me as manager but she has refused to answer my requests.. Sabotaging means something is being done deliberately which I in no way am doing so please Sandra Levien do not use this word in association with me. Betty Weir and I have been in communication with each other and in no way did she say that I was sabatoging her tree, in fact we were quite amicable with each other and were trying to identify a time when these merges and duplications could be done whilst we were online. Betty Weir has been added as manager where applicable if it is do with her family.
I also asked for help from Geni regarding getting management for my profiles from Sandra Levein and although you offered a solution the same solution doesn’t apply for all profiles relating to my family. Sandra does not care about privacy and confidentiality regarding posting pictures that are not her family (my grandmother etc) so when I challenged her this is when she asked me to leave and as it states that Geni is a world wide tree I stated that it is not her sole tree unless she has privacy settings. The profiles that she talks about as far as I am aware relate to both our families and the profile she has sent a link for is connected through marriage to her and my family so in most cases they will be on my tree so if there is duplicates how am I to know that she has already got them? Sandra is trying to control and because I would succumb to her demands she is making it difficult for me to expand on my own family's profiles therefore limiting information that I can put on the tree. It doesn't state anywhere that I have to put sources up - I know and have them in my own files to share with my family if requested. Initialising names, sometimes to protect people's privacy I refer to their initial but I know who they are and those in my immediate family. I would also ask you what to do about all of this, I welcome your input.

Looking at the tree, it seems clear that we have two Geni users, each with overlapping family members in respective parts of the tree. Some merges have been completed; others have not. The unresolved merges are creating what appears to be a mess of conflicting relationships, but this is easily fixable. I would be happy to assist with completing the merges in the designated area.

As far as the issues of dual-management of profiles, this is precisely how collaboration is supposed to work. If there is a problem with the data in a co-managed profile, either user is free to fix the problem. If there are disagreements regarding a particular fact (i.e., a death date, or a place of birth, etc.) then someone needs to provide a source. We need to get beyond the notion that we have "ownership" of the vital data regarding a shared ancestor or cousin.

Thank you Geoffrey for your input and offered assistance.

Monica you are very well aware just like anyone else of the hints of matches on the tree. To say now that you were unaware is simply your own ignorance.

The profiles that you have added are all incorrect and you have no sources because there are not any! I have direct communication with the families who I have invited to my tree and they visit here on a regular basis. And by the way, I am a McCalla! You are not! So to say the profiles you are merging is your own family is completely false. You are stepping onto my territory if you want to go there!

I manage several family groups on facebook and encourage others to come to our tree and learn about their ancestry. You on the other hand are a different story. You manage a group on facebook with your family members where you withhold all the information about your family. You expect everyone to come to YOU AND ONLY YOU for information. Just now you even admitted to us that you keep your sources "in your files to share with family if requested". Why should they have to do that?!!! You refuse to show them anything on our tree, in fact, they are unaware of our geni tree. I know because they are shocked when I show them geni exists. You refuse to add photos, documents or sources to your profiles. You privatize your profiles so they are unseen by anyone else but you. You do not want others to know the names so you only use "initials". Calling a profile "Baby McCalla" is not appropriate! You gave me the excuse that you are protecting peoples privacy but your behaviour is nothing more than selfishness. You should know by now that genealogical work does not hold fine lines when it comes to confidentiality. How could any genealogist even work with you when you are so uncooperative? And yes, you are sabotaging my tree! I should not have to run through all my profiles now to fix the duplicates you have added.

Nearly all my profiles have sources. Where are your sources? Your remark that "It doesn't say anywhere that I have to put sources up" is complete ludicrous in the genealogy world! How do you back up your information? Where is your proof? Where are you getting your information from? How is anyone else suppose to trust your side of the tree; because I certainly do not!

I notice you have your own tree on MyHeritage which you did not share with the rest of us but that is ok for you to continue stealing information from our tree. I have no doubt you are keeping that tree all to yourself. To my regret, I invited you and your cousin Sonia here on geni just like hundreds of others. No one is trying to control you. We treat each other equally since this tree belongs to all of us. And I have had no other issues except with you and Sonia. So, the expectations of sharing photos and sources are no different than anyone else. Betty is apart of the genealogical team I work with and a good example of a team player. Your manners have been nothing more than disrespectful to the rest of us. You have no interests in sharing information and your beliefs go against what I believe a family tree is all about...SHARING OUR ANCESTRY!

Sandra Levien

And Curators, I ask you please not to merge anymore of my profiles with Monica M McDonald. I do not want her to remove any of the photos, documents or sources I added because she says she has a right to do so since it is apart of her family.

Mike Stangel and customer service please close.. if you can't keep this thread about helping people then what's the use..

Sandra I did not say McCalla was my family, I said they are part of my family through marriages, get your facts right. And did you not see the reply where Geoffrey says 'We need to get beyond the notion that we have "ownership" of the vital data regarding a shared ancestor or cousin'. I have not stopped you from adding your sources of info regarding shared family only my particular family who are not related to you through marriage or blood and by the way of which you will not give me managementship ie my own mother, grandmother and other family members I cannot extend their/my tree because of you. You also keep saying 'my profiles' in reference to people who are merging profiles with the info they and I have put on and telling them not to, who are you? As far as I am aware the profiles merged with yours are similar (ie dates and where born) so how can you say I am putting incorrect info when its taken from the registrations on familysearch and by the way family members to me. Do NOT try to be aggressive with me as I am not scared in fact I relish the challenges you bring. I have asked you a number of times for management of profiles relevant to me and you ignored, the issues could have been resolved a long time ago but you made it personal. you say I kicked you out of certain groups on FB that I am a founder of, again relevant to my family and not yours, why would I entertain someone who told me to leave Geni and wouldn't compromise but instead who is aggressively and continues to be obstructive when it come to profiles. YOU are not a part of my family so get over the fact that I deleted you from MY FB family groups.Where I know you are a founder or an admin I don't even want to go there so I choose not to join even to the point if I see any of your family members that I don't know I will not join. But I do not tell other people (just joint family members that have joined my groups) not to join your groups but I have put a warning in my groups about you so they have the info and if then they choose to collaborate with you that's their informed choice. And the bigger reason I dont want you in my groups is because you download photos without permission and place on here (pertaining to my immediate family) and anywhere else that I wouldn't know about. Re: O'Connor profiles - I've even added information that I received from an O'Connor relative of mine and researched myself about your family of which some are mine to your profiles/tree but apparently you don't appreciate that.

Sandra get over the fact that I am on Geni and will continue if allowed to extend MY family tree. Don't mess with mine as I am definitely not messing with yours, you should look to YOUR collaborators regarding merges because I rarely merge profiles unless I am sure and it is because of them that there is a mess not me!! And for your info Sandra I HAVE NEVER REMOVED ANY OF YOUR SOURCES RELATING TO YOUR FAMILY AND WOULDN'T only if they relate to mine and my extended family where permission hasn't been sought.

Gerald I also would appreciate your assistance.

Sorry Gerald but I am not going to let Sandra think she can control me on Geni.
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If I may, this dispute about co-managing of profiles and the privacy / public of the profiles of Deceased persons is not particularly a Curator issue.

I would suggest that Customer Service be the agent of mediation.

Sorry folks but I didnt start this and I am still prepared to get along with people but as you will see I am not the aggressive one and trying to control other people's input on Geni. I would like to resolve issues that have come up with regard to merges but Sandra wants to take the high road and order me not to participate and discount information that I have put on the family tree which I think is totally unfair. I have never told her that her info is incorrect but she is forever saying that about mine. All people come on here as new contributors and at first she did assist me when I did things wrong but when I went against her that's when she turned nasty.

Sandra Alison Levien is Henry McCalla's great niece's husband's great niece
Monica M McDonald is Henry McCalla's sister-in-law's niece's husband's first cousin's husband's sister's husband's second great niece

It seems to me that neither of you are particularly closely related to Henry McCalla, the profile first given as an example of discord by Sandra. It also seems that you have been working together on Geni since Aug. 2012. I don't know if battle has been raging all this time unseen or if it has just blown up but the answers seem quite clear:
Whichever profiles have supporting sources then that should decide what data is used.
If you have profiles where there is conflict but no source yet found to support either claim then why not simply note both versions of the data on the 'About Me'?

We curators are all here and more than willing to help with merges and sorting out messes but we are not here to keep the peace.

It seems as if Monica is admitting that she did something erroneously. If there is something that just needs reversing then let us help with that.

Well people need to learn to play nicely together in the same common sandbox called world family tree. Sure there are people who think they own the tree and want all their way and not acknowledging second opinion, but after all there has to be agreement.

i agree curators aren't supposed to keep the peace but lately that seems to be nessary.

We used to have 'arguments' like this over historic profiles but now predominantly people accept what the curators have done on the historic area of the World Tree. Perhaps Private User and Private User need to visit various areas of the Historic tree to see how conflicts have been dealt with in an area where more often than not sources are not available.

Private have some faith and be prepared to lose a pint of blood¦¬]

if it helps others out then that's good too.. laugh.. I agree about visting the history section i have several sections that over lap with trees like charlimage and have been there to see how others have handled disptutes when the sources are hard to come by but i don't think this is about that.. I think it's a more please don't mess with my work or family dispute which is a reasonable and valid concern but that's for customer service to take up.

Please note that I didnt start this conversation or argument. But I am not going to sit by and let her spout what she wants and not reciprocate or challenge her. I have no other problem with some of her, in her words, team of collaborators ( they have been lovely I must add). We have written to each other and had amicable conversations. I accepted the fact that Sandra would not co-operate with requests that I have made and moved on but she wont let it go.

CURATOR please contact me. I have a gentleman changing things on my family tree that I personally know aren't true, because I KNOW the individuals. He seems to have found a way to become a manager of many of them. Thanks.

It seems I am becoming the go to guy for help and questions today.. I would appricate if the curators could help me split the load as i am dealing with a family issue right now and am being quickly over whelmed.. Please NO more questions about how geni works or the blocking system works thank you.. I can not answer rocket science level questions when i am trying to care for a sick father