ATTENTION Curators, please assist

Hi Vered, Annemarfie,
Thank you both for replying. I am sorry if I seems angry, I am not, I am just frustrated. I was having these kinds of deletions for months and I tried to send emails explaining the situation. Most of the times, it is resolved. But it is time consumming and I rather work on my researching.

Vered, I would like us to get together and join our family groups so we can have a clean and correct tree. Thanks and have a good day.

Hi I have added a person as Brother (Deepak Gurnani) and now can't remove from my tree.

My url is http://www.geni.com/family-tree#6000000002534970235.

I can't see the person in my Tree, but his record exist in my List.
He can also see my family tree in his tree, but can't remove either.

Pl help.

Hi, Shaishav Jitendra Merchant and Deepak Atmaram Gurnani ... I am sending you both private messages where we might be able to work this out.

Dear Curators,
Once again I have the problem of a profile with a bunch of locked fields showing up in my conflicting data box. The conflicting data can not be resolved because the fields are locked, so unless a curator does something about it, it will sit my box forever. There's got to be a better way. Here is the link: http://www.geni.com/merge/resolve/6000000007454714656
Thanks,
Jessie German

Sorry, here's one more: http://www.geni.com/merge/resolve/6000000007454714760
Thanks,
Jessie German

Jessica Marie German

Easy solve! And done.

Thanks, Erica!

Hi, I have a question about how managers are selected for profiles. I've noticed that some of my relatives have merged their trees/families into 'mine' and the resulting person indicates that they were added to the tree by me (which the original was, years ago) but the manager of the profile is now listed as my relative, with me as a second manager. I only bring this up because it impacts items such as the 'contact profile manager' button and I believe some merges.

Thanks,

Coreen

@Coreen, I think you'll find that the manager of the profile with the most information becomes the 'Primary Manager' of the resulting profile when two are merged. If they both have the same amount of information on them then it will probably be an arbitrary decision on which is the primary manager. If you wish to change who is Primary manager try going to 'Actions' on the profile and selecting 'Manager' option. Here you should be able to assign primary manager.

Thanks Terry Jackson (Switzer) for following up. The primary manager issue seems pretty random, I'll have to check the information quotas of some of the profiles next time I come across one. Unfortunately it appears that I cannot change the primary manager with the manager actions button. Thanks though!

@Coreen you may be able to contact the other manager and ask if they would make you primary manager.

Private User & Terry Jackson (Switzer) -- I've been checking as I do merges recently, and it does seem to be semi-random as to the sequence of merging managers. For Pro members, the "Manager Options" only seems to allow viewing, going to the other manager's profiles, adding another manager, and to remove yourself ... not to change the sequence.

I think you can probably only nominate a primary manager if you ARE the current primary manager. Does that make sense?

FYI: I was able to help Shaishav Jitendra Merchant fix his "multiple parents" issue. (... by joining family groups and his setting his profile to be editable -- as many of you already know ... another thing that an individual ought to be able to fix on their own for their own personal profile.)

Yes, the Primary Manager is the only one who can assign someone else to be the Primary Manager. To do so: Click on Actions (top right of Profile) and then Manager Options..

Then click on "Add Manager" -- enter the name of the person you are requesting to be made Primary Manager, even if that person is already a Manager - (you may have to click 'Search More' for the name to pop up in choices**, once it does, click on it) - then also click box in front of "Make this person the primary manager". This sends request to that person -- once he/she accepts request, he/she becomes Primary Manager.

**if name does not pop up in choices -- view that person's profile so it is now considered "recent" and will pop up, or if necessary, click "Follow" on it to make it pop in the choices window.

Thanks Private User I do know how to change the primary manager if I am the primary manager, the problem is that I'm losing Primary manager-ship seemingly randomly when a relative is creating duplicate entries then merging them. It's just frustrating.

I "believe" that in carousel view of the merge to the profile on the left will be assigned primary management.

The primary manager after a merge should be shown in bold, when looking at the side-by-side comparison. That's often the profile on the left for our curators, but could be reversed for other users (in general the profile on the left should be the one you're familiar with, i.e. it's in your merge center or you are a manager / collaborator). The primary manager after the merge is the manager of the profile that's going to remain "on top", which is determined by claimed status, Master Profile status, current number of managers, and completeness.

Thanks for the explanation, Mike. For a long time I thought it was always the one on the left, but lately I've noticed that's not always true. I wasn't picking up on the clue about the primary manager in bold. Good to know.

Is it true that when two profiles have "equal weight" that the outcome is determined by which profile is dragged and dropped into the other?

Yes, if all other criteria are equal, the direction of the drag-and-drop determines which profile remains after the merge: the profile that is dragged and placed "on top" of the other, will be the remaining profile after the merge.

I thought so. Thanks!

Mike - So, is there any way to stop folks from going in and stealing Primary Managership, as apparently is happening too many times now??

If a Pro is a relative, both in reality and per Geni, they can see the private profiles, enter all info in the previously existing profile before merging them, thus assuring that his/hers has at least as much info. Similarly, for ANY Public Profile, they can see all the info, enter at least as much, then merge them.

Especially if they do not know about the drag-and-drop determinant, folks may be inadvertently stealing Primary Managership, without any idea they are doing it - just want to be A manager. So - for folks to whom this has happened - it is possible if you ask to be returned to Primary Manager -- and explain how they can do it, because many folks do not know this!! -- plus perhaps explain why you want it -- possibly, possibly they will comply.

I don't know why anyone cares -- we're continuing to de-emphasize the role of "manager" on public profiles. In any event, there are two mechanisms in place to prevent this:

1. Master Profiles will always "win out" in a merge
2. A profile with multiple managers will "win out" over one that a single person creates

Mike -re-iterating why folks care -

1] for both Public and Private Profiles -- When someone clicks on "Contact Manager", the Geni-Message just goes to the Primary Manager

2] for both Public and Private Profiles - when you create list of Profiles managed by you (or someone else you name), the list is just of Profiles for which you (or person named) are the Primary Manager

3] for Private Profiles -- it is the Primary Manager's settings which determine what is shown to non-family members / in a Geni-Search.

4] For both Public and Private Profiles - When someone sends request to be Added as a Manager (thru Management Options) -- the request goes to the Primary Manager.

Is Geni planning to eliminate or change any of the above any time soon?

Also, if the objective is co- managing a profile (why??) why not simply "request management?". A lot easier and faster than merging and the order of management remains the same unless specifically changed by the primary manager.

And note -- if someone, say AAA, has just become/stolen Primary Manager thru this nonsense way of duplicating the profile and then merging -- then now he/she is Primary Manager of Profile with two managers, so thanks to your #2 above -- if someone else tries the same trick, AAA stays manager now, since AAA's profile has 2 managers to now new one which has one manager -- so this is really very insidious.

And luckily - not curator scope. :). I work, for the most part, which clearly historic multiply managed profiles.

Hi can someone lill off some zombies I have come across
thanks
Charles Vachon

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Lois listed above 4 issues regarding who becomes primary manager in a merge. Ken Tregear just reminded me of a fifth issue. When two profiles are merged, the revisions on the now secondary profile are no longer shown. This is true of all profile merges, newly created or old.

I recall Mike Stangel saying they still have them in their system log, so they are not "lost" - but just not shown. It might help if all revisions were shown after a merge, no matter which original profile they came from.

By way of example, see Hercules Bruce Armstrong Hastie which Ken created on 7 November 2010, but the revisions only show from when another user added a dupe on 6 March 2012. Now Ken can't see all his previous revisions and those of others - because the newly created dupe took primary management.