ATTENTION Curators, please assist

Probable abandoned tree in the Mormon Pioneer area.
Newton Andrus

Eldon,
Someone already reported Newton Andrus. He hasn't been online for 1 1/2 years.

Sarah Feuerstein

Go to his profile. Click Actions at the top. If there is an option Remove From Family Group - then that is the connection you have - and how to remove it.

Thanks everybody for all the help. I know now the technicalitites. What remains is, finding the right way to break the news to him that "I want him out", or rather of how to explain it politely, without hurting any feelings...
:-)

You don't have to ask, - just do as David tells you above.

http://www.geni.com/merge/resolve/6000000005070000280?k=jec95hiq&am... Curators this looks like a heaping MESS. Someone sent it to me and I don't want it.

Umn, there is a reason why this profile of Peter Tallman says Peter Tallman of Henry Tallman, and the reason is that Henry is his father, which appears to not be the case here.
http://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000007316326390?resolve=6...
Can we just not relate over and over and over this Peter Tallman or at least the one I have entered into Geni as Peter Tallman of Henry Tallman to someone that is not Henry Tallman? I am at my wits end here. The same D*** thing keeps happening over and over. Peter Tallman's Father is Henry, Henry's wife was Anna not Maria von Peene. and Henry Tallman's father was also Henry. That is what my tree is, this is what my research indicates, which is as valid if not more than others, and I do not want it to be otherwise. Please stop merging Peter Tallman of Henry into the Belgium line. I am so sick of seeing the yellow triangle on Peter Tallman of Henry Tallman which asks for resolution which cannot happen since the parentage conflict is not resolvable, and there is this triangle open for anyone to do, and any one can do it, at any time, achieving a merger into a different line. The lines are not the same. So please, quit trying to merge the 2 lines together!

Can someone tell me why I can not add pictures to these profiles?
Henry Roper
Mary Ann Roper

Both profiles are already pointing to a not-existing photo?
Mike Stangel?

could it be the photo's ? This is the error you get with the picture of Henry Roper.
Mary Ann Graysons pic is up as her profile pic.

This XML file does not appear to have any style information associated with it. The document tree is shown below.

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Private User There is no option to add his photo and there was no option to add hers. I have been having trouble with adding photos for days but it has been when there is already a picture there. When I click on a photo to add another one, Geni works for about two minutes then goes to the "Geni will be right back: page. Usually after four or five tries, the upload page comes up and you can then add the photo

Sally Thomas Thomas ,
I would like to try and help you resolve your problem. There are however a few questions you could answer to help me help you. If you would tell me if this research which you are doing is to complete your own tree from Myron back and are you trying to go from Peter 1623 back to accomplish this ?? ..ttfn

Just checked Help on Abandoned Trees. As of Sept 11, 2011, according to info there:

"A tree is considered abandoned if the profile manager has not logged into their account in a year. In order to help complete merges, users may report these inactive managers as Abandoned Trees.

The following actions are taken when resolving an Abandoned Tree report:

* Deceased profiles outside of the user’s Family Group are made public
* For private profiles within the user’s Family Group, management is transferred to the nearest active relative in their Family Group
* If a close relative cannot be found, then management of these private profiles will not change"

So -- if there is no close relative to take over the management, reporting the tree as Abandoned will not help except and unless it includes deceased profiles outside user's the Max Family Group - and even there, making these Profiles Public will not allow for merges under current policy unless they are already attached to the Big Tree.

Private User What they don't tell you is that even if they get around to making them public, they don't notify the person who reports, so you don't know that you can go back to the profile and complete whatever you were trying to do.
Mike Stangel Comments on both posts?

FnDuck... I am the fourth generation to be working on the genealogy of my family. It has been a family project, on both sides of my family, all along down the line. I have had some doubts about the info of my great grandmother who was very interested in gettingt into the DAR, and she hired someone to get some info for her which was dubious, according to people at NEHGS and NEGS. So I have been working (since I was 16) on the work that she did, so that all it could be verifiable or not verifiable. I have been looking for the truth and have made a dermination to use the best info I could find, looking for primary sources, and when not available, looking for secondary sources that list primary sources iun their publications. I found and excluded a couple of documents which were a result of a "media study" (bogus it turns out after looking carefully into it with legit genealogical organizations). But I have also been looking for and have found legit info in vital records of Rhode Island, and MA, and I have also researched the info that NEHGS has regarding the Tallman line. In each of the profiles that I entered on geni for those Tallmans in my family line, I have included in the about me areas, the sources I have used. Some are secondary, and because they were secondary, I included the sources that the secondary source used. I have printed and typed them in the profiles and on here occasionally. I do not have a scanner, so everytime I have to go through this, I type right here or in the profiles themselves. Myron, my father is dead... I know the family history through him, through my grandfather Claude B Thomas, I have the family bible of Mary Tallman, wife of Myron F Thomas, who received it from Patience Baker, wife of Asa Tallman b 1825. In it she has hand written that Asa B was the father of Asa Tallman son of William Tallman b. 1761; son of John, who is mentioned in the will of Benjamin Tallman, Some of the wives in the bible have last names, but complete dates and other data.
For Benjamin back to Peter, and then Henry, Peter's father, back to a probable Henry from Germany. I have relied on the secondary source (which I have typed in over and over here and on the various tallman profiles) of William M. Emery, (1935) who relied on the following sources: NEHGS, committee on English and foreign research which was commissioned by Dr. Henry Presch, Jr of Hamburg, Germany, by George Andrews Moriarty of the committee on English and foreigh research at NEHGS. Dr. Presch researched the Hamburg, Ger records for the parentage and ancestry of Peter Tallman (of RI) and found entries in the books of the Parish of St. Nicholas, Hamburg, Ger and also the Hamburg Burgher Book. From the Presch findings Mr. Moriarty of NEHGS' committee on English and foreign research reported the following (and this in the register of NEHGS): [I am going to type this as it is in Emery's book (entitled Honorable Peleg Tallman 1764-1841; His Ancestors and Descendants printed in 1935)]
Talemann, apparently of the Duchy of Schleswig-holstein, b. c. 1558. Had, beyond any doubt, 4 children: Peter, Susanna, Henry and Anna.
Henry Tallman, of Hamburg, son of the foregoing born, probably in Schleswig-Holstein c. 1586, living in the parish of St. Nicholas, Hamburg, Ger. as late as March 24, 1619, and probably lived for severa years adfter that date. He probably married Anna____ who may have been Anna Talemanns, who was a godmother at the baptism of Anna Daugh of Peter Tallman, on May 18, 1608. (This Peter Tallman being the uncle of Peter Tallman b. 1623) This Henry was residing in the Parish of St. Nicholas on Sept. 20, 1616 when his DAUGHTER Anna Maria was baptized there. He evidently became a burgher of Hamburg, IF the Peter Talemann who was admitted a burgher in 1646 was his son, then Henry would have had the follwoing children:
Anna Maria Tallman, bapt. in the church of St. Nicholas, Hamburg; 1616
Elisabeth Tallman, bapt. church of St. Nicholas, Hamburg: 1619
and Peter Tallman b. 1623, made free in Hamburg Aug. 14, 1646, being admitted as son of a burgher; the emigrant to Barbados and NE.
Now then, Mr. Emery has also used in his book other sources:
including:
NEHGSRegister, vols. 69 and 85; "Aspinwall Notarial Records"; Austins's "Genealogical Dictionary of Rhode Island"; Arnold's "vital records of RI"; Colonial Records of CT'" vol 1; "records of New Amsterdam, 1653-1674,"vols 1 and 2; Banks' "History of Martha's Vineyard," vol 2; Plymouth Colony Records (printed copy), vol. 5; town records of Portsmouth, RI.

FnDuck... Do you want me to type in the will of Benjamin Tallman b. 1684/85, d. 1759? If the electricity stays on I can do that if you require that.

Sally, This is not an area I work in and I haven't even looked at the profiles however I do have a word to contribute which may help prevent the issue of someone merging incorrectly or mistaking one profile for another. That is to include the sources that you have so carefully found on the profile's source tab and cite the information given on that source. This does not neccessarily mean you have to type out a whole will. If you do not have a scanner. I would suggest create a document, and type the fact that you have a paper copy of a will dated..... which verifies.... and fill in the pertinent details.

Sally - re: "I do not have a scanner, so everytime I have to go through this, I type right here or in the profiles themselves." -- if you haven't discovered how to copy-and-paste, doing so might save you a little time and effort sometimes. Message me privately and I will attempt to describe how to do it, or mention it here if you do not know how to copy-and-paste, and I am sure someone will explain it.

[if you have known how to copy-and-paste for ages, but just meant for each document you had to type it up - then ignore/please don't take offense; my experience is it is impossible to guess which useful bit someone might be missing - and I first read your comment as referring to lots of retyping of the same info]

Sally Thomas, I really appreciate the offer but I already have cousin Benny's Will. You really should not have gone to all that work with the other info either as I have that also. I would never have offered to help you if I was not somewhat familiar with the players
Thanks for answering my questions. Carry on.... ttfn

okey dokey, FnDuck.

Lois, I know how to copy and paste. It is just that I think each time I do this, that I won't have to do it a again, and so I have not typed anything from my sources and saved it in the computer. I will start doing that in the future, now that I know I will have to continue to refer to them, in order to paste here and elsewhere.

FnDuck and others who might be interested.... Just for clarification here is what is mentioned in the will of Benjamin Tallman d. 1759, according to Emery.

"His will, executed July 5, 1755, proved Aug. 13, 1759, named his wife Deborah as executrix, and made the following bequests To son Benjamin, land in Portsmouth, with buildings to daughter Mary Fish, 5 pounds, to daughter Deliverance Sison, 50 pounds to daughter Patience Tallman, 45 pounds, and new chest; to sons William and James, 20 shillings each; to daughter Sarah Godfrey, a feather bed to granddaughters, Bethaniah and Freelove Tallman, each a half of the bounty money that was their father's [John Tallman's] on account of the expedition against Cape Breton; to wife, the homestead in Warwick, 2 acres, for life, and then equaly to grandsons William and Samuel, sons of James, with further provision should they die; to wife also, the whole of movable estate. The inventory showed an estate of 498 pounds 15 shillings, 11d., the personal property including wearing apparel, 26 pounds, shoemaker's tools, 20 pounds 16 shillings, and bond, 90 pounds."
Emery further states that Benjamin had 5 children by his first marriage, and 3 by his second.

Curators, I have a problem with someone zealously merging a profile without noticing that the individuals lived in two different centuries.
Could someone please detach [Mary Mumford] from [John Mumford] and their reported children? Her other marriage to [John Mumford] with issue [William Mumford] is correct.
Thank you

This profile has the wrong mother. Can anyone fix it so it can be properly merged? Should be Mary I believe, not Agnes.
Unknown Profile

Sally Thomas You would like Constance Mary Dudley in place of Agnes ?...ttfn

NO... Constance Dudly is not the mother of Constance Hopkins. Mary was the wife of stephen hopkins, father of Constance Hopkins, not Constance dudly and not Agnes.

FnDuck, it is this merge that I worry about.

http://www.geni.com/merge/compare/6000000001495386244?
return=merge_center&to=6000000015243338364

as you can see it lists the mother of Constance Hopkins Snow as Agnes, Agnes is not her mother Mary NLN was her mother. I wrote to Mr. Scott and asked him anout it, but have received no reply. Nor is the mother of Constance Hopkins Snow Constance Dudley.

Sally Thomas Agnes Poole is showing up as Stephen Hopkins (1581)'s father Stephen Hopkins (1551) Wife. I do not go east of Ptown if you want to pursue it here is some info.

(http://www.mayflowerhistory.com/Passengers/ConstanceHopkins.php)

Name: Stephen HOPKINS
Sex: M
Birth: 28 OCT 1581 in Wortley of Wotton Under Edge, England
Death: 28 JUN 1644 in Plymouth, MA
Father: Stephen HOPKINS b: ABT 1555 in Rainscombe Bottom,England
MOTHER: AGNES POOLE b: in England
Event: 1620 Emigrated on "Mayflower"
Residence: Fourteenth name on Mayflower Compact
Event: Ethnicity/Relig. Episcopalian, Congregational
Event: Thirdborn to Stephen and XXXXXXX AGNES XXXXXXXXX
Event: Home Guard at Wotton then at Jamestown
and Bermuda
Event: With Miles STANDISH at Plymouth
Marriage 1 Constanta Mary DUDLEY b: 1589 in Wortley, England Married: 1604 in Wortley, England
Children 1. Constance HOPKINS b: 1605 in Wortley, Wotten Under Edge,
....ttfn

Yeah, Mayflower History for some reason has it wrong about my favorite Mayflower Passenger. Caleb Johnson wrote a definitive biography just a couple of years ago - and the Master Profile Stephen Hopkins, "Mayflower" Passenger has the strongest curator note I've ever written: "NEVER MARRIED Constance Dudley: IT'S A MYTH, PEOPLE."

Sally Thomas has it right - and if you need, elsewhere on the same site it should be right.

I am sorry to beating a dead horse here. And I am sure many of you are tired of further discussion on this, BUT... If I merge this, will I wind up combining the two lines, which I feel should not be combined, or not?
http://www.geni.com/family-tree#6000000015141006086
I see that the Henry Tallman (with the pretty picture on the profile) has Maria Von Peene listed as the wife of Henry. I feel, as you know, from prior posts, that this is not so. So if I merge these will I wind up with a Maria Von Peene as the wife of Henry or not?
I have a very long list of conflicts, most of them are the tallman line. I would like to eliminate them from my list of conflicts. there are children that are listed as having Maria von Peene as parent because she is listed as wife of Henry (pretty picture MP profile) of Hamburg, I feel very sure that it is Anna NLN that is the wife of that Henry, or rather I feel quite sure that Maria von Peene is not the wife. and so each of those children, including Peter of 1623 is listed as having her as the mother. by combining the 2 lines (Ger. and Belgian) we are giving Henry 2 wives, Anna and Maria. Is this what is right and is this what is true, or is this a compromise in order to reach a world wide tree?

I am sorry for being such a stickler and a PITA. But I really am looking for as much accuracy as possible. I am anticipating, hoping that I get an answer to my letter to one of the older curators at NEHGS. I was told over the phone, that he does not pay attention to his emails much which is why I wrote a letter and air-mailed it from here, Changuinola in Panama. I am hoping he will be able to shed more light on ALL the findings, of the Tallman line, and will also provide me with any on-going info that has not yet been published. Again I apologize for my stick in the mud attitude... I just want things to be right.

Yes, I know none of us is perfect, including myself, but I am striving as much as I can to provide here as much accuracy as I can muster, with limited electric power and limited internet access. Doing research by internet is quite difficult for me, but I try every chance I get. I have severe limitations when the power goes off for hours at a time or when it is on and I have no isp working. So I depend on you curators for accurate info a lot of the time. But, I am also using a lot of info I have been carrying with me for many years, books, xeroxed vital stats, family bibles, and actual copies of written records from Swansea MA, middleboro, MA, a lot of stuff from Newport, RI library... a lot of stuff.... boxes of it. Mostly copies from libraries, museums, which my father and I gathered from NE towns and repositories, back when I was 15 or 16 years old. Yes, I still have all that stuff! :-) I have preserved it and traveled and moved with it all these years.

Mr. Boyer has poked some holes in the NEHGS findings, And I respect him, but he himself, also, when he wrote his findings, pointed out holes in his theory, (which you can read about since I posted what was sent to me, copies of his book, of pages concerning the Tallman line right here on Geni)

Angus, when we first started working on this line, you were so very helpful and patient. I applaud your patience with me when we sorted through the Littlefields, the Tallmans, and the Stickneys... Your efforts were tireless and so helpful.

Angus Wood-Salomon@Angus tagging you in case you can help Sally more!