ATTENTION Curators, please assist

Jennie, I think we can all hear and feel your upset. There was a similar discussion on Geni not so long back, which as I recall Michelle of Geni joined, on the question of whether / if / when it is appropriate to remove someone as a profile manager, and whether people should have the ability to remove other managers from the profiles of their close family members.

As I recall, that discussion did not reach a conclusion. If someone reading this remembers that discussion or can find it, we could adjourn the discussion here and move it there.

Yes please thank you for answering David. And can Genin please please pick up this discussion so your own grand parents and brothers uncles and aunts, brothers and sisters children cannot be co managed by people who are that distant and have no respect for your feelings? These profiles are all I have left from my parents. so it gives all meaning to me.

Private, - as a first action: being a close relative you have access to convert your parents and other family members into private profiles again independent of who are the managers. You can do that in a radius of 5, - up to 2nd great grandparents, but personally I would limit that to current living people only.

Have you contacted the other manager, ?
In respect of your close family's privacy he should pull out as manager if you request him to do that. To do that he just have to click on the ☒ after his name in the managers list to relinquish management.

If you don't get a feedback in a week please contact me directly and we can try another solution.

Thank you for answering Bjorn. So I have to make contact wiht him? The other manager I had contact wiht in the past and told him not to duplicate and just to collaborate with me . he could merge in disntsant priufesl and than have accees to all my profiles haven been public. He said soory and I undertsand but went his own way with it. So I broke the collaboration (first collaboration I broke). So it is not a situation that he cannot be aware being a topic before between us. But if you say I nevertheless should follow this procedure than I must do. Is it the procedure Bjorn or just a good advice from you not knowing I had this same converstation allready with this co manager? I do what I have to do. so please tell me. Now I am in tears and do'nt dare to look at my other close profiles because I dont want to get more and more upset about it. So I am not realoly very good in approaching it kind of distant (sorry not good English). But I really thank you for responding. I know someone is listening.

Jennie, indeed very very sad that a user behaves like this - moreover it's a user that Fred and I have helped to add two more layers to his own ancestors of which he's the name-bearer. Blatant duplication, because your mother is not in any public record. Indeed, follow Bjorn's good suggestions!

My answer is based on that very few people knows how to pull out as manager, so asking him to do that since the merges already is done would be the easiest solution.

I tried to tag the other manager in my first message so he become aware of your message: Private User, and I mentioned one week because it is a week since he last logged in, so he might not be aware of our requests.

I added this person to the Portaal voor Nederlandstaligen, maybe he has to learn how Geni works? Meestal is dat het eerste trouwens wat ik doe met een profiel waarvan ik denk dat die het nog niet helemaal snapt, dus Jennie, misschien ook voor jou een advies: zorg dat geni-users niet zonder een link naar een portaal blijven, want alleen daar kunnen ze lezen wat er van hen verwacht wordt. En dat is een gemis in de Geni-architecture, dat er helemaal geen introduktie is in iemands eigen taal en een mogelijkheid iemand een kleine periode 'aan de hand' te nemen om uit te leggen wat de DO's & DONT's van het systeem zijn. Zelf heb ik dat ook proefondervindelijk moeten ondervinden, soms met flinke onenigheid met de groep van opper-geni-alisten die een lettertje op hun foto hebben staan. Dus: niet verdrietig zijn, want je kunt er echt niks aan doen als er mensen rondlopen die hun prioriteiten niet leggen bij aandacht voor mede-gebruikers van geni. Fijne dag verder allemaal, Jeannette.

Not sure if I need a curator or a priest.

Can someone marry these two profiles to each for me. They are cousins-in-law so they are both on my tree already, but GENI won't let me "marry" them.

Arthur Teal
Sarah Teal

Granted, - this is the first marriage request in the 4117 messages in this discussion, - people usually ask for divorce...

Thank you Bjørn!

Marriages used to be within the power of Basic users to do themselves - not anymore if they aren't in your "immediate" family.

Here is another one I need done from the same family:

Elizabeth Teal

to

Nathaniel Teal

Done

Carole it should be there if there is any other manager, but this list did change in today's release in order to add the hover cards so maybe we broke it. Can you point me to an example that I can use to work on it?

Mike Stangel

It's broken for me. Example: Mary Hankins

I found an example, too. We'll get it fixed but probably not until tomorrow. :-/

Hey, easy fix -- done!

I can confirm - I see the box on Mary's profile. Not giving up 7th or 8th great grandma though! Thanks, Mike.

I'm not sure if I've missed any posting about what to do about merges when you are a lowly Basic User.

Are we to request Curator's to do merges for us or is there another Discussion where I should post to get them done?

Once a Merge is done, what about all the parental merges/conflicts and siblings, who is going to do those merges?

This is really going to slow merging down.
I can't even resolve the parent conflict when there is only one set of parents listed.

read my private message to you carole

Kathy, I did. But I stopped short of continuing any merges because it looks there are some parent conflicts up there.

thank you looks good ^U^

ok, I have just started looking at this discussion regarding managers of profiles being added to profiles and not being close relatives, etc. Forgive me if this was mentioned somewhere, but I honestly think that some of you are missing the point of what it means to be a manager of a profile. When I first joined Geni, I was invited by a third cousin, who I had recently discovered in another venue. I joined and started adding my relatives (as we all did), and quickly discovered that not only had this cousin added a lot of my relatives already (saving me a lot of work), but Randy Schoenberg (who most of you know), who is very distantly connected to me, had also added a lot of my family because he had done a lot of research on Austrian geneology and had wonderful access to death notices and such. So, on many of my relatives, I might be the manager, along with Randy and my cousin Rafi. Do I have better information than them in some cases? Yes, so I simply added or corrected. I consider it a benefit of Geni, that others are out there enhancing my family tree; yes, they are even managers of my parents. I truly do not see what the issue is.

I forgot to mention the obvious: when duplicate profiles exist, and they are merged, both of the original managers of the separate profiles now become managers of the single profile (the more merges that take place, the more managers). Most of us know this, but I thought it should be stated, in case someone who is new to this isn't clear.

Very well described, Judy, thank you.

Judy - I also had the same pleasant experience with Randy Schoenberg. Randy originally added me and my parents and other close relatives of mine before I came to Geni. He still retains co-management of my very closest family members, and to me that is not a problem.

Judy - I also therefore don't see an issue in my close family just as you don't in yours. But I think we have to be sensitive to the views of others as well. In other cases, I think what is being alleged is that the co-managers have not done the research that Randy did to add to Geni what was not already there. They have simply copied information from existing profiles already on Geni and then had their copies merged in. That I think is a key difference.

Thank you David because it is exactly how you describe it. so when anyone has a meaning that I am too sensitive about it you could read more clearly what I wrote. It has nothing to do with someone who created profiles before I came on Geni and did research on that or as an example a near relative that had started its onw tree and than merged with mine, anything is possible, but not when it is the case that someone just copie your infornation and then has the copies merged in. And when you find that sensitive so be it. So thank you David and George and Bjorn for understanding and helping with it.

I'm sorry Jennie, I apologize if I didn't read your particular situation correctly. I didn't realize people were simply copying your info to create profiles. Not Sure what the point of that is. seems like a huge waste of time.

Eldon, the person who added this profile has left Geni. I have changed it to public for you.

Thank you Rick

I believe this person did not exist and his predecessors. I put him and his father in and rather botched it. the grandfther has dates that are after the grandson...sorry for the screw up.
John Pullen

@Deborah ROWE Prescott - I got the 1650 (1648) profile split off, but it seems there are two distinct trees:

This one: http://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000012001040291
and this: http://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000009326566371

Is that what you wanted? At the least, you can perhaps rejoin them properly, if that is what is required.