ATTENTION Curators, please assist

Thanks, Terry. That helps some. The next 'tangled skein' is in the Combs/Combes branch connected to the Archdales, and I've (as you suggested) started a discussion there to see what additional info might be come from the managers. There is one place where a profile is both a father and son to the same other profile, and many of the children have birth dates before either parent. One of those 'managers' is curator, so hopefully "we all" can get it sorted out.

I was wondering, can a curator remove a manager from a profile? A distant relative of mine added herself as the manager to my great-grandmother and has managed to mess up my entire tree. Could a curator remove her?

Caroline, if you could please give some profile links we as curators can help to fix the 'mess' but we cannot remove people. If there was intended vandalism then you can 'report' this person but it sounds like she/he just didn't know enough about that part of the family because they were only distantly related.

Caroline I would also like to mention that no one can add themselves as a manager to a profile, to become co managers it means that the profile she created and the profile you created were merged.

To merge profiles both of you must have agreed to the merge.

Anyway Terry is right a curator can try and help but since it is your great grandmother, this means it is in your private tree and to fix it you must invite the curator to your family group.

By the way was this merge you requested in this discussion
http://www.geni.com/discussions/99133?msg=737463

Is it part of the same problem?

I think the issue comes from the fact that, for a few hours today, she was a pro member and my third cousin - which might have made her automatically a member of my family group. I have since blocked her and limited my family group - would this prevent her from making changes to the profiles we co-manage? I did not okay any merges - I can't as a free member - but I did make three profiles public to enable us to merge info and have since made them private again. Somehow she has managed to become the manager for several other profiles which she must have merged with her own data and I definitely did not make public or ok the merges. She copied all my names on this side (some spelt incorrectly) into her tree and has then spent the rest of the time requesting them to be merged with my data. Most of these were living individuals (which she did not have the courtesy to keep private) - some of whom were in-laws not related to her at all - and I only managed to delete them by fictiously creating accounts for one of them which deleted its siblings etc.

The merge I requested was correct, and if that had been all that happened it would have been perfect - but the other merges were unnecessary - and ruined my day. I've asked Fred Bergman about this issue and hopefully he'll be able to help as he's a member of my family group.

So to be clear - can a curator remove a manager from a profile or not?

Fred Bergman
Great you have a Curator in your family then, he will be able to help.

I have tagged him this way he will get notified of this discussion.

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So to be clear - can a curator remove a manager from a profile or not?
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No the only person who can remove a Manager is the manager themselves, not even Geni will remove a Manager unless there is vandalism

Sorry I should have tagged you
Private User

Angus Wood-Salomon - re: "To merge profiles both of you must have agreed to the merge." -- Not true.

1) If profiles are Public, any Pro can now merge them, nobody's agreement required.
2) If both Profiles are in the Pro's family group, even if both Private, the Pro can merge them. And before they limited merging to Pros only, this was true of anyone -- if both Profiles were in your Max Extended Family, you could merge them, did not need anyone's agreement/permission.
3) If the merge of private ProfileA and private ProfileB was agreed to by someone (anyone) in the Max Extended family of ProfileA, then it could be completed now by any Pro in the Max Extended Family of ProfileB (or any Pro manager of ProfileB) - and before the restriction of merging to Pros only, by anyone in family of ProfileB or any manager of ProfileB.

Please note - with Pros being able to merge Public Profiles without permission - this means they can choose to merge one with, for example, their 3rd great-grandparent, making them family for several generations down, so do not need anyone else's permission to edit, merge, etc. those profiles, even if they are private - because they are now within their Max Extended Family.

Thanks Angus and Lois.

It seems the crisis has been averted for now and my tree is slowly getting back to normal.

However, there are now several duplicates on my tree where my name has been added to make me my own second cousin! If I make this profile of 'me' public would a curator delete it please. I would prefer not to merge as these profiles have no additional information that cannot be found on my tree and run the risk of adding others as managers to personal and private profiles - something I don't want to happen ever again.

My duplicate can be found at Caroline Frances Timoney. Thanks.

It is only the dup of you that is public. Sent you a merge request to give you control over that area.

Thanks. Somehow (maybe because it was public) I was able to delete it. Hope it stays deleted this time.

Thanks Private User

Dear curators. I misread a churchbook and wrongly attached my great granfather to the wrong parent. Would it be possible for some of you to remove the connnection:
@Bersvein Johannesen Hopen
Bersvend Johnsen Hopen

should not have @Anders Rognskog and @Beret Kuli as parents.

Thanks

Snip, snip..

WOW! that was fast. thanks a lot!

skjære, skjære..

Hi, I got sent to a Merger Clean-Up page trying to find a relative from a Surname page (the page I was sent to was for an individual born a couple of centuries before the relative I was looking for)

There is at least one curator Gene Daniell for the profile, but I don't know how to contact him (other than mentioning him here).

http://www.geni.com/merge/resolve/6000000007603300778

Private User

done.

I made a request for a bonys system for non PRO users
http://help.geni.com/entries/20453682-bonus-for-doing-work-on-the-tree
It may help if it gets some support votes.

Job Waterreus

I voted "me too."

Does this mean when a Pro does work on the tree, he/she doesn't have to pay anymore, or less? That's a nice system!

No i dont think that was the intent of this particular request, Jennie. But its an idea to raise on a separate request, perhaps.

LOL Erica, I was joking :-)

Jennie, you may have been joking, and Erica may also have had a smile on her face in her response, but this is a serious point.

I think a reward system does have merit to be considered, including a grandfathering in of recognition of previous work.

But Geni needs to consider carefully what those changes will mean to its revenue. If Geni rewards someone who isn't otherwise paying anyway, there's no net loss of revenue. If however, rewards mean someone who otherwise would have paid now doesn't pay, that is significant.

Many of us think that Geni did not think through properly before implementation the effect its recent changes to Pro / Basic would have on users and what their reactions would be. Future changes, including perhaps introducing a rewards scheme, will hopefully be thought through better.

I suggest a separate discussion on this, rather than hijacking the Curators please help thread.

Thanks David.

david since when has geni thought anything out with regards to revenue or other wise .. I doubt they will think further with the implementation part but we shell see i guess

I'm sorry to sound cranky but issues curators cannot assist with do not belong on this discussion.

Thank you, everyone for assisting th curators with this.

Private User
Please remove your post, it has nothing to do with this discussion..

I personally would prefer you post requests for help that you want from me to me personally. I will take care of them within 24 hrs. I don't alway get to see these post immediately, but I do check request several times a day. Just feeling a little overwhelmed trying to keep up posts and I work full time too.

May I please break in to this discussion, I dont know where to put it elsewhere and I am very very upset. Just today I found out that my parents have be co managed by another one, a very very very very distant relative., He just did it by duplicating and merging. I understand it is technical possible by just doing that and I should not be that upset because it is a Geni fact perhaps.... But before I collaborated with him and he could merge must furher away and so had access (I mean he can see them freely because I have everyting public) to the other profiles close to me and far away from him. Dont' say please he must be mistaken because I allready sooner brought it at his attention. But by making all my profiles public this is the result? People have no respect for your so close relatives and duplicate and merge as they like? Your own parents? My own parents? Maybe my brothers and sisters too? I did not watch dont want to get more upset. Tell me this is like it is and I have to deal with it? Take it or leave it? Or am I self to blame by making everything public?