ATTENTION Curators, please assist

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Quoting from http://religion.adherents.com/Christianity/20-christening.html

"There is a lot of confusion in regards to baptism and christening. Often, the words are used separately. It is often believed they are two different things, and at one time, they were. Now, though, it is important to understand that they are fundamentally the same. That is due to changes that have been made. Now, both words can be used interchangeably and mean the same thing.

"When christening first began, it was a ceremony in which a child was given a Christian name and then baptized. The christening referred to the naming ceremony. However, because of the baptism, many people thought the child was being christened when he was baptized. Therefore, baptism was rarely a word associated with infants.

"Now, children are named prior to the baptism. Since they are no longer given Christian names while being baptized, there is no need for a traditional christening. Therefore, children and adults now just get baptized. However, it is still often referred to as a christening. It is important to realize, though, that a christening and a baptism are the same thing."

From a genealogical perspective, it is helpful to understand how different churches, with variations by local church, region, denomination, and time period treat those terms -- the key points, for me are:

1) Don't let your own experience or "church experience" understanding mislead you when interpreting historical records.

2) Make use of the information at hand to make reasonable assumptions about "other data" (e.g.: actual birth).

FYI: GEDCOM conventions do have separate CHRistening, BAPtisM, and CHRistening-Adult tags (as well as LDS-specific tags) ... and not to leave out BAR/BAS-mitzvah for 13 year old Jewish youth. Even if Geni.com doesn't currently "expose" such fields, one can document them in the text (and sources), commenting on how they were used to infer estimates (circa) other dates (such as birth, marriage, first child's age, etc.).

My own view is that inferences about birth should be marked as 'circa' (about) even when the other date (e.g.: baptism) is precise and is used as the birth date. (But it would be nice to have a "near-to" or "just before" type of "date precision" option, leaving "circa" to denote "within a few years of".

As Enrique noted ... this really belongs in another forum thread.

But an interesting digression for me!

I thought "christening" far more relevant for genealogy as it's a naming ceremony.

Dan, any event can be put into the time table. Why the programers left out certain tags and included others is unknown to me. Anyone can request a tag be added at http://help.geni.com/forums/337266-feature-requests

If you wish to continue this topic please begin another thread, thanks

Correction "Timeline"

It seems that I have opened a can of baptism worms ;-)
I have started a new discussion thread here: http://www.geni.com/discussions/99969

Fred Bergman What would you do with this name situation?
John George Corman
My feeling is that the names given at birth should be in the correct fields and the later names should be in the also known as field
It looks very sloppy as it is now.

I personnally prefer his baptised names and birthfamilyname in the first three namefields and his streetnames in the displayfield

but of course the streetnames, nicknames, popular names in the AKA field

Could someone please merge these profiles of Niels Bertelsen Ryberg - a historical Danish profile. He was one of the first industry pioneers in Denmark early 1700s.

http://www.geni.com/merge/compare/6000000011208128290?to=6000000010...

Thanks to Google we are able to find and enter the dublicates ;-)

Linda - one of Sophia's profiles is private and cannot be made public. You may want to contact the manager of that profile directly. Sorry I couldn't be of more assistance.

Fred Bergman Thanks.

Could someone here please attach my Peter Troxel
Peter Troxell, Sr
as the son of this Daniel Troxell
Daniel Troxell
Thanks!

Troxells done.

Terry Jackson (Switzer)
Thank you Terry!

Private User
Thanks Sherry. I sent a message, but so far no response....

Please help..I just turned PRO and merged a profile and now my tree has alot of profiles that shows fake information. The manager added them back in 2008 and I have the correct information to input. I tried to contact the manager but no response.
http://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000002276283953

Thanks

Well, if you made a bad merge, how can you say that the other tree you merged into is fake information?

This is the gravestone of two of the people:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=39955054

Bjorn, Those profiles are correct, but when the children were entered that information is incorrect and the boxes are grayed out so I can not correct those.

Difficult to help you without more details on what is correct and not correct.

The grayed out profiles are private profiles, - which is quite natural for such recent in time profiles, - probably of real living people. To get access to them you need to be a family group member with the manager(s)

Here is an example:

Arley Adam Day

It shows Arley is a father of Day1 and Day 2. I went in today and added them in with the real names. So how can I remove those entries that shows Day 1 and Day 2? There are so many of these type of entries and I have the correct information to input.

I am part of this Family group "Arley Day is your first cousin's husband's uncle".

prøv og rediger dine riktige profiler til Dag 1 , slå sammen profilene og rett profilen etterpå .

Richard "Rick" Tasber If you can edit the ones that are named Day 1 etc, then you can give them their correct names which should trigger matches to merge. You can also go to the tree and move one of the profiles to the named profile it matches. This is also if you have edit rights. otherwise, your options are to work with the manage who entered the Day 1 etc profiles either by a request to join Family Group or other contact.

As I said: these profiles are too recent in time and those two profiles of living people are probably deliberately made without a real name to keep some privacy and you are breaking this persons privacy by adding them as public profiles.

My suggestion is: back out.

Rather good example of the situation Geni has put itself into. Unpaying customers do not lament about their problems. But here we have a paid customer who is totally clueless.
In a discussion within a bit different age group he would be called n00b, not PRO.
Anybody who clicks onArley Adam Day should notice that there is a manager Private User (former curator) who's profile describes rather clearly why those 2 Day & 1 Day are made inaccessible.

Arne Pajula Not sure what is going on or why "I" am put into this discussion, but I don't have access to those 2 Day and 1 Day profiles either.

private

The Day-Baumunk profiles do show you "private" as manager. I merged Myra McCrossen(Day)'s profile and the Day-Baumunk's family tree was attached to my tree as a result. I saw Brenda Dean added these profiles in 2008 ( no Brenda activity since then). Lori Stein took over as manager and recently the manager transferred to; ♥ K, K, No Name, Jane Doe, and now private.

Sons and daughters of profiles with actual names are shown as "unknown 1", "unknown 2" etc. Others are shown as "(surname) 1" ,"(surname) 2" etc.
I have a 79 page document that will correct/complete these profiles and fix these trees. I don't know how to overwrite the unknowns etc. with the correct info.

Ideally I would like to sever this mess from my tree, but I don't know how. If that is not possible, I am willing to fix the tree, but I NEED HELP...PLEASE!

Richard "Rick" Tasber
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I saw Brenda Dean added these profiles in 2008 ( no Brenda activity since then).
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Brenda was doing some work in April of this year...suggest you message her..

I sent Brenda Dean 2 messages with no response. I saw where Lori Stein (listed as Brenda's wife) took over managing Brenda's profiles and she showed activity on April 14, 2011. I sent Lori a message, again no response. Then ♥K was listed as Manager etc. etc.(see above) until last week when I saw "private" was manager. I copied and pasted my post/comment above, in a message, and sent it to "private" this morning.
When ♥K was manager, I saw that she was managing over 190,000 profiles. I suspect she and subsequent managers aren't even aware of the Day-Baumunk mess that I'm now trying to fix. I don't know if "private" will even get or respond to my message.

If none of the aforementioned people respond to my pleas for help, what can be done?

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