ATTENTION Curators, please assist

Joe, one of the merges is still private. The profile has to be made public (un-private).

ah, thanks. That's why it's stuck. I'll give it some time, but that user - a distant cousin - doesn't use Geni anymore, unfortunately. Thanks for trying.

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Steve Sapiro was online July 24, 2011 and has been a memeber since 2007
Send him a message asking him to make it public for you. You can then turn it back to private if you wish.

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or you can request to be added as a manager from the actions button

Thanks, but I can't ask to manage this profile (it is only two generations ago), and although I have previously asked to collaborate, the user still needs to log into Geni at some point. He doesn't use the site regularly, and I'm not sure if he intends to come back.

Assistance on merging these would be appreciated....
http://www.geni.com/merge/compare/6000000013417212037?from_flash=1&...

Linda Kathleen Thompson, (c) Done

Eldon Lester Clark
Thank you!

How does anyone else handle dates for Christening? I have been putting them as baptisms. I think we need an option for Christenings.

Leslie Ann just curious isn't Christening the same as baptism?

Private, - just rename the event to whatever you want in the timeline for that profile or manually add an event. You find a big blue button for that to the right of the timeline tab.

Duh -- Why didn't I think of that? Thanks Bjorn!

Angus Wood-Salomon I think most Christenings are done right around the birth of the child, and baptisms can be at any age. I just want to be able to differentiate the two when I don't know an actual birth date.

Thanks

Private OMG what a blessing to use the language that does not differentiate between those two.

At the risk of sounding pedantic... From a genealogical perspective, the christening/baptism date is just a very decent alternative when birth dates are missing (and for anything beyond the year 1800 the baptism date is the best we have to date a person's 'appearance' in this world.
I'm not even sure whether we need to differentiate between date of birth and date of baptism. The latter doesn't matter, from a genealogical perspective - it only helps (enormously) to identify parents and witnesses. I think that what we want is the original birth date and, if that's not available, the baptism date is the best we can get (and we probably won't ever get it any better).
I have a tendency to enter baptism dates in the birth date field when I know that we won't have anything better. At least that date shows up in tree view, whereas a baptism date won't. And, I don't like the alternative of putting ABT for birth date when we know the baptism date. The latter is very precise, so why be imprecise about the birth date? We might avoid a lot of wrong decisions about dates if we'd accept a single date as the rule - either birth date or baptism date. :-) (Again because who cares about the baptism date when the birth date is known?)

Baptism=Christening. There are other uses for both words, but when used for humans and religious rituals, the words are interchangeable.

I always put them as a Baptism....most of mine are with the Catholic Church & the record always says Baptism.

George - in Colonial America people would baptize a number of young children when the parent were admitted to the church so I do prefer to use the "Circa" feature when putting in a baptism date for the birth date. Some (Anabaptists?) practiced adult baptism and it is clear that the baptism date is years later than the birth date. Those are more problematic.

Definitely so, Hatte. Then, from a genealogical perspective, we don't really care about the baptism of anabaptists, I think. I come across anabaptists, and of course I don't use their baptism date for birth date. But, I think with others it's fair to do so when you know for sure that the baptism followed within a few days of birth (given the quality of the record, showing the church adherence). I'm just saying, it's so much easier to track ascendants when you can point to a quite precise birth date in tree view - and in 99% of cases you can't get any better.

Perhaps I'm referring more to European practices, where church traditions would be fundamentally embedded in families - whereas people migrating to the American colonies needed to adapt (less in principle) to the available churches.

Christening is for infants, baptisms can be any age but normally after 12 depending on the church.

George

Your second statement is far more correct. In colonial America you had

- Quakers, who do not baptize (luckily, they kept good records)
- Not only Anabaptists but other forms of adult baptism
- Rural people such as many of my ancestors, without access to churches. The "circuit rider" ministers would do the religious rites on their next pass through.
- And of course non Christians :)

I use the baptism field for christening and put in a circa the exact date of christening for the birth date so it shows.

Christening is the act of the parents saying they will raise a child as a christian, baptism is the act of an adult (over 12) that says he/she has become/or is a crhristian.

Not for Catholics, Marvin.

http://www.catholic.com/library/Infant_Baptism.asp

I would have to check for Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, etc.

You are correct, the Catholic Church does a babtism and names the God parents at the Christening. They then use Catechism in place of a 2ed baptism. (In special cases an adult my have to perform Catechism before thier baptism, if they were not Christened as a child) But we go go down church by church and be here all day.

The statement that there should be room for both is valid. The date of baptism can even take place upon a deathbed. So it's use as a possible date of birth could end up being very far off.

So who is putting in an enhancement request for a separate christening field?

These two Sophias appear to be the same person and need to be merged together.
Sophia McEndree
Unknown Profile
Thanks!

Thank you Private User

Now can someone finish the merge on Sophia?
http://www.geni.com/merge/compare/6000000013417855201?fsession_id=1...

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Marvin Caulk, Volunteer Curator
I think this discussion should TAKE APART IN OTHER PUBLIC DISCUSSION.
BEFORE MAKING A COMMENT, YOU MUST DOCUMENT ..
I AM A PERSON WITH ANCESTORS OF ORIGIN Waldensian ALSO OF CATHOLICS.
I have never read such nonsense TOGETHER.
I was married by the Catholic Church, for so was my husband, I had to sign a waiver, I do not object to my children were educated in that religion, SO I AM AWARE OF THE THREE CEREMONIES TO BE HELD
1) BAPTISM (CAN BE MADE AT ANY AGE) (NEW POPE WITH NO MORE LIMBO, which were supposed CHILDREN WITHOUT BEING BAPTIZED.
2) FIRST COMMUNION
3) CONFIRMATION (DO TO GET TO ADULT, WHICH CONFIRMS ITS RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CHURCH).
THIS IS THE CATHOLIC RELIGION UNIVERSAL, then comes all the variants.
With the schism, APPEARED THE PROTESTANT AND ALSO ALL VARIATIONS WITHIN EACH OF THEM VARY RITES,
CAREFULLY