ATTENTION Curators, please assist

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This profile has two fathers, as a result of a faulty merge:
Abraham Sidenius/Sidenbom

The correct father should be:
Johan Larsson Sidenius

Lizzie, have you asked the managers of the profile?

Are you still unable to merge two private profiles, if one of the profilemanagers is the one who requests the merge?

As a curator I can do nothing at all eith private profiles.

Private User

Done.

I didn't find a marriage certificate, but Gresham Lee is the wrong generation.

I seem to have wandered into a bit of a mess related to some of the profiles I "inherited" from a person who is no longer with Geni.com -- and I have no info on the right way to untangle it ... let alone the ability (Pro) to untangle it. My apologies up front if some of the merges I approved aggravated the situation! :-(

It centers around the Ellen Hale (Rogers) profile:
Ellen Haile
and involves two partners of her with very different ancestry connections:
Cpt. George Hale: George Hale, of Jamestown
and
George Heake Hale, Capt: Capt. George Haile

It might be correct the way it is ... but I can't tell -- it just seems to me that things in that area seem a bit messy than perhaps reality.

Looks like George Heake Hale is the correct partner. The other one belongs two generations earlier. I'll fix that and try to clean up the surrounding profiles a bit.

Erica Howton thank you!

Private User let there be no misunderstanding in the aristocracy of Geni.
The looserusers of Geni have no rights to initiate the merge! They also have no ways to finish a merge proposed by the almighty genistocracy.
It is foolish, unfair, and last but not least idiotically unproductive.

In a real world you can pay your outstanding debts doing a menial & dirty work.
In a New Genimpire the genistocracy are ment to work overtime, and the loosers are designed to point a finger: "Do this, do that! OMG it's broken! Why don't you mend it, quick!"
Brilliant planning! I nominate them to recieve the commemorative merit portrait http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTlip3_pV13_Ast_p5jHBIVpgvK...
the one on which the comrades Brezhnev & Honecker kiss.
Unfortunately I have to pay to get the PID numbers for the MP Brezhnev (managed by my collaborator) and MP Honecker, so no links here, enjoy searching yourself!

Stop breaking Geni, I cant tag you because your profile is Private. Anyway dont you think it is time for the ranting to stop on this discussion which is for persons asking for assistance.
If you want to continue your rants, start a new discussion which those of us who are not happy with Geni but are still trying to get work done will ignore

Don't tag me in an anonymous post, please. I don't want to be involved. I always play with open cards myself.
I have said in here what I want to say. Now I want to continue with my genealogy research, please.

Eldon Lester Clark

To tag a profile that does not show up with the @

Simply go to the name in the message (in this case your name above)

Where the persons name is, right click and choose the "copy shortcut"

You may now paste this short cut Eldon Lester Clark anywhere in the message and the name is tagged.

Arne Pajula tagged

I'm not sure that I need assistance, I just have question. I have recently done some merges, where there is no "added by" persons name. Will that stay that way, should someone's name be there? There are plenty of managers for these profiles, even a primary manager, just no 'added by'.
Does this matter?

No, it does not matter.

The name of the Added By are the one who added that profile first and if you merge in an older profile the name will change to the one who added that profile. The older the first profile is the larger is the chance that this user is not longer using Geni and have closed his/hers account, so no name can be displayed. The name does probably exist deep down in the Geni servers, and on accounts that is closed the last year a name will be displayed, but stroked out if the user is deleted.

Sorry, just testing your way of tagging Marvin Caulk, (C)
as much as i have a knowledge, it is the PID in [[ PID]] when it is working.
So let me see it again Marvin Caulk, (C)
Yes, I have changed my name to state my views, but the real name is available inside my profile, if you cannot see it, sorry, it is a Geni privacy policies you shold be complaining at. I am very open with my policies.
I have a rather clear understanding, that this is not a true intention of this venue to listen to my rants, but I have tried also to post http://help.geni.com/requests/12038
which still after 9 days has had no reaction from the Geni.
So what would YOU like me to do?
Do you think this is reasonable?
Here at least Mike Stangel is listening, even when at the first glance it seems to be utterly idiotic (well the new polisies resulted in exactly utterly idiotic social experiment where YOU have to work and I have the right to point a finger, and cry: "Fetch!"
Do YOU think this is reasonable, if so I have just 68 problems flagged by Geni awaitng to be solved on my task bar, should I post them here instead of ranting? Or should I rather do this on my own Geni's policies providing it? Do you really want to digg into the documents in Old Swedish, Niederduitch, Russian, Estonian, and Gernan, etc. just to make an educated quess? It is a great fun, but you really need to have a broader skills than just the Engrish! Are you up to this?
And Private User I am really sorry for tagging you!

Arne Pajula

The name of this discussion is "ATTENTION Curators, please assist."

If your gripes are with Curators, by all means, post here. If your gripes are with geni users seeking ATTENTION, then indeed post here, although I'm not sure how you're helping them.

But by continuing to use this discussion to escalate your Geni customer service queue, you lose my ATTENTION.

I'll un-follow if this persists.

Thanks
Erica, a geni user

I am very upset. I have had a tree on this site for quite a while. I was just on working on my tree a few weeks ago. I get on today, and it refuses to let me do any work on my tree, fixing merges and data mistakes without trying the free upgrade that will make me pay after 2 weeks. I have been using this site for a while without having to pay. I dont want fancy bells and whistles that they are trying to sell. I just want to be able to work on MY tree that I have been working on for months.

Your wish Erica Howton is my command
http://www.geni.com/merge/compare/6000000012076875920?to=6000000006...
and yes I can read, and to my understanding "ATTENTION Curators, please assist" can reach a bit further than just merges. If it really does not, I'll humbly apologize. English really is not my mother tongue.

Amanda, I am having the same problem, but it's intermittent. Some profiles allow me to add relatives and make changes, and some don't. I assume this is a glitch from the upgrade, but I don't know.

I have a question? When asking for curators help in merging, or fixing the dupicate problems of a certain person, do you also have to add the correct persons url in the mix, or do you just put down the url of the profiles in question?

@Amanda Lilley, I agree with much of what you have said. After building an extensive tree, trying to source information with images for the benefits of others, inviting others to join GENI because one was able to be relatively productive using GENI in free mode, apparently a decision has been made to change the working environment for free users. If this had been the case when I started working on GENI, I would never have started investing my time on this site and would not have encouraged others to join. If they wanted to be like Ancestry.com, they should have started that way, and not change the environment later on. As a business, they have the right to do it. As a contributor of information to their site, I have the right to stop contributing. So, I have stopped working on GENI and won't recommend it to others. I will continue my work on WeRelate.org.

Private User

Either way is fine for me. As long as there's a link and you tell us in the profile itself the correct information.

Ok, I still haven't received an answer to my previous post above, but these are the duplicates that need to be either merged, or removed from my tree somehow-----> http://www.geni.com/ people/ M-Anne-(Huot)- Pelletier-(St. Laurent)-(c1666-1734)/ 6000000013312417731
http://www.geni.com/people/ J-Baptist-Pelletier/6000000013312423726
http://www.geni.com/people/ Ang-Mary-Pelletier-(oeullet)/ (1690-d)/6000000013312483511? through=6000000013312423726
http://www.geni.com/people/ Marguerite-Catherine-Huot-dite-St. Laurent/351395207990002483
http://www.geni.com/people/ Jean-Baptiste-Pelletier/6000000012224601380
http://www.geni.com/people/ Marguerite-Ang%C3%A9lique-Ouellet/6000000012224515724
Charles Danet
http://www.geni.com/people/ Guillaume-Pelletier-dit-Goloteur/ 6000000006708188089

This one is just an empty node that needs to be removed which is located next to Eloi Pelletier and his url is--> http://www.geni.com/people///%C3%89loi-Pelletier/6000000003135455825. Francoise Matte which is still hooked to Eloi a distance away is his only and correct wife... Here are the remaining urls that need to be merged or removed---> http://www.geni.com/people/ Nicolas-De-Kerverzo/6000000006441573635
Clement Bouchard
Michel Bouchard
Marie Françoise Morineau
Last and final---> These urls go to two duplicates with the same url on the same string----> Antoine Roy
I'm sure there are many more duplicates, but this is a good start... Thank you in advance!!!

Erica, somehow the url numbers for Clement Bouchard, Michel Bouchard, FrancoiseM Marchard and Antoine Roy dit Desjardins didn't appear on my post? It's funny, I listed them as the urls came up on my screne? I don't understand what happened?

Doesn't like accent marks, maybe? Let me work with what you have and I'll post back with questions for you.

@Robert Engelhardt and Amanda Lilley: what you have said is correct and is justified. GENI never announced either the freeze-out of free users (I was in the middle of much new work / much clean-up on the day they did it, and there was no sign of an impending ax to fall). Many / most contributors of the ilk of Amanda, Robert, myself and others like us who have written here have contributed enormously, and with care, to the database. If GENI wanted better consideration and care on contributors' part before Merges were initiated / accepted, GENI needed to step up to the task with many more informative pointers, pop-ups, warnings, etc., along with a tutorial if people out there needed instruction so badly. That there was such a need was obvious, actually, since in looking around a specific group one would often come across the most striking, even shocking, errors and carelessness.
Even that being so, GENI was a remarkably uninformative site wrt to procedure, appearing to take the position that genealogists have some clue what they are entering, are highly attentive to detail, etc. Many are that way, and many believe they are trying to be, but my travels through two different communities -- Central Europe pre WWII and American colonial period -- showed that standards of care, indeed the motivations for being on GENI, on the part of users were vastly different between the two communities.
So if there are "millions of bad merges" out there, GENI bears much of the responsibility; they did not educate users, at all, in the way most interactive websites do. They have been disingenous all along, and made clear only one thing: this last move was to generate income, not to improve the standards on GENI. They needed only to fill the void of non-instruction which they had created in order to move to higher standards. Also quite appalling was GENI's de-emphasizing of the importance of sources, never placing that question nor the means of supplying sources in any kind of prominent position. It was an invitation to put folks up for one's own ego gratification and leave the historical component to others, or ignored entirely. That is not, in fact, genealogy, it's just pedigree-posting. Those are different things.
As Robert said, if GENI had wanted to mimic Ancestry.com, instead of appear to be something different and thus more welcoming, they should and could have made that clear from the get-go. They had represented that they were something different, in fact. I, too, would never have started investing my time on this site, since I could have chosen Ancestry.com -- a different animal. On GENI, I and others working similarly have both entered a great deal of new **and accurate** info from sources, and also provided the source data for many records where there was none but where it was readily available and could have been entered by the original contributor. Have also added many profiles from the larger community I was working in, and done so **accurately** including contacting curators to clear up obvious mistakes, all for the aid of fellow-users in what was advertised as a collaborative project to benefit all. At least two people out there have discovered ancestors/relatives by that work who would not have done so otherwise, a kind of discovery which I had thought was a key reason for GENI's "openness." It certainly was the sort of experience which had brought me to GENI initially.
But now GENI has essentially spat in the face of the likes of us, apparently believing that to do so is preferable to improving the instructional info they put on site, and/or of setting a different sort of "qualifying" mechanism for admitting people who are serious and effective workers.
So, as with the others mentioned here I have stopped donating my time to the GENI community and won't recommend it to others,either. GENI forgets that we have other ways of maintaining our own family trees; using GENI was represented as being about much more than that and indeed it was. WeRelate.org sounds like a good new option, and there are others. But wherever one works, the site and its programmers have an obligation to make navigation simple and clear, to post warnings and even a tutorial advising of the errors they fear most, etc. In other words, not to just sit there passively acting as if the site is one thing, and then decide "ooops, a lawless society, one without guidance, is a problem" and clamp down like the Iron Curtain.
There is no credibility nor respectability in the approach GENI has taken, and worse, it means that something even more unreasonable can fall out of the sky next. So, indeed, it is goodbye GENI. It will be a messier -- not a cleaner -- set of data for the departure of the likes of us, and one all-to-exclusively focused on issues which most people regard as irrelevant, such as whose line goes back to Charlemagne, for God's sake, and how many people have entered his name. If that was the point of GENI they should have just called it "find your medieval royal ancestor" and started selling those fake heraldic coats-of-arms.

Private User

That was a thoughtful and thought provoking post. As one of the curators you have contacted to help sort through conflicting data, I know we share the desire to get the information as close to accurate as possible, including sourcing facts.

The history of the site is before my time and also described elsewhere. I can just speak to the improvements I've seen and participated in during this last year. And it has improved. The interface is better. The data is better and more and more sourced.

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