ATTENTION Curators, please assist

With full access to the merged profile it does mean full edit access even if the other manager later on decide to block or stop collaborating with you.

If you only keep one of the profiles one of you loose control if collaboration stop.

Mike Stangel as I am the plain user, I am the one who can see the full scope of your actions. Earlier I spent my spare time trying to make Geni better, merging and editing. Now I can only design protest signs as there is nothing I can do here. I can not even merge my mother.
Earlier you did not send a notice after the merge about somebody becoming a follower. Now you do. This is implemented during the restructuring.
Why now? Probably because the status changes. If the plain user's status changes, well, accordingly (s)he will have different set of rules applied (otherwise why change the status).
The search function is blocked, unless I push the tab "Managed by You".
So if by any reasons I am removed from the managment, I can not use even this. Just last week I had rather different rights to operate here so bear with my paranoia.
I see you implementing another new feature, and I start singing like canary (unless you let me do something more reasonable here).

Our software is constantly in flux, things change all the time for better or for worse. We're open to feedback (of which there has been quite a lot in the past week) and we're working hard to make the collaborative family tree a success. We do believe that last week's changes align the "power features" with our premium service, however that's not to say we won't be fine-tuning the features that we offer both free and paid users.

Mike Stangel just do not get the wrong impression that your move last week made people to buy your product. Most have been joining for the free period to download the forrest and leave for good. The other part have been starting to make the profiles they have management rights private en masse, and a small part have already starting the deleting the profiles they still manage alone. This is the BUZZ on the ground level.
I have no clue how it is in the clouds, maybe these are blocking your vision a bit?

The comment was made above "Please note that with the new poilicies in effect, the merging can be detrimental for the plain user "

Others said this wasn't true.

I am not sure. Non-PROs can only search and click on profiles they manage. Question is whether the Managed by Me search is only on profiles where you are primary manager? If so, then you do lose something when you lose primary management.

Pam Wilson
These are the ones I see right now...
Humphrey de Bohun III (II)
Humphrey IV (III) de Bohun, Constable of England, Earl of Hereford

Pam,
These have the "!" symbols. I think that they are caused by the bad merges that were fixed prior to this by Ofar.
I am new here, so I don't fully know how this works.....

Mike Stangel

"Managed by Me" only searches for Profiles where you are the Primary Manager!!
So - Non-Pro may retain full edit permissions, but how does s/he find these Profiles s/he is manager of but not Primary Manager? Yes, something is definitely lost when a merge causes a Non-Pro to lose Primary Manager status.

Could someone please complete this merge: http://www.geni.com/merge/compare/6000000007934826089?return=duplic...

Thanks!

http://www.geni.com/merge/compare/6000000013356299078?to=6000000013...

http://www.geni.com/merge/compare/6000000013356315938?to=6000000013...

Could you please help me to finish to merges.
Documentation in About Me in the profiles I manage.
Thanks.

Could someone please assist with the following merge:
http://www.geni.com/merge/compare/6000000003617585235?return=duplic...

Thanks!

Please complete this merge.

http://www.geni.com/merge/compare/4102251602690026377?to=6000000001...

Thanks!

Linda Kathleen Thompson I have done work on the Humphrey de Bohuns in the past and the Master Profiles as marked are correct but there have been merges in which are questionable. I believe that is what you are seeing. There were so very many Humphreys that it is very easy to get confused. I am on holiday at the moment so don't have full access to my usual sources but am back home soon so if Pam doesn't see to them I will then.

When merge done between Non-Pro and Pro -- is Pro now always made the Primary Manager?

No, the computer mostly selects
1. the profile with the most managers
2. the most complete profile
Sometimes a curator himself choose the primary manager, mostly if the actual primary manager wasn't login to Geni longer than 1 year ago.

Fred -
Are you sure this is true?

When I merged Trees with one of my cousins, each Profile had one manager – and the Computer definitely ignored which was most complete Profile.
Checking after that, I found if ProfileA was moved onto ProfileB, then ProfileA (the one moved) invariably became the Profile on the Left, and the Profile on the Left always became the main Profile. (At that time, it did not care about Pro for assigning – but also did not care about who had more complete Profile – tho had in the past).

Not sure I have tested any where there was discrepancy in number of managers.

For merges I requested, using your merge tool, profile I managed showed on left -- but I did not end up as Primary Manager. Can we no longer tell who will be the Primary Manager if Merge goes thru by who shows on the left-hand side – or do the Curators over-rule when approving thru the Public Discussions? Or is it only when forcing thru use of merge-tool that left-side = Primary cannot be counted on?

I don't know, what I wrote was my experience and not a law of Geni

I also had a problem with several profiles that I added and was primary manager of. Then one day, I discovered that a curator had taken over as primary manager. That was before all the changes had been implemented. I'm not sure how it is now, as I am a Pro user. But I was quite ticked off and still am at the thought that someone can become a primary manager of a profile that was a close relative of mine. Great grandparent., that I added, I managed, and I added all the information on. I'm just saying.............

Curators cannot choose who is Primary Manager nor can a curator "take over" as Primary Manager. It is done by the computer, and Mike Stangel can probably better explain the algorithms used to determine it.

Barbara if there are any close relatives inappropriately managed, feel free to email a curator, or open a help case, for suggestions on how to handle and a look see at the revision history.

I manage profiles by requesting it and curate on behalf of my cousins.

Also - comment and question - when ProfileA is chosen as Primary Profile, revisions only show the revisions of ProfileA.

Even if, after the profiles are merged, the new Primary Manager agrees to put me back as Primary Manager, that info is apparently permanently lost.

Is there any way to see the revisions that went with ProfileB?

When they merge and settle Data Conflicts - if my version is not the one chosen, and I am not doing the Data Conflict resolution - do I have any way to discover what Data on mine was rejected?

Lois it should be in the revision history.

Pam Wilson (on hiatus)
[quote]Curators cannot choose who is Primary Manager nor can a curator "take over" as Primary Manager.[/quote]
sorry, but you are wrong. I did choose a lot of times a primary manager when the existing primary manager had abandoned Geni. Also I made myself or an user asking for that primary manager of a profile where a primary manager existed who was not related to the profile in favor of a direct relative. I even have a Dutch discussion in which users can ask me to be added as a (primary) manager !

Erica Howton - re: "it should be in the revision history." - is this just the choices made in the Data Conflict Resolution or ??

I know for a fact that what I see on a Profile, when I click "Revisions" on the Profile, is just the Revisions made to it after the merge and those made before the merge to the Profile chosen to be the Primary Profile.

And since no Revisions would be made to the merged Profile if the info in its version is chosen, that choosing will not show in "Revisions".

Is there another Revision history that Curators (or someone) has access to?

Can you through me a link / and / or take it to geni mail?

Fred you're a lot more techie than I am.

I do a lot of merging and trust me when I say I am letting the computer do the selection.

Over the years I have seen Geni make many strange decisions on who should be primary manager in a merge. It did not used to matter. Now it does for non PRO - because of search restrictions. And it's not just a question of requesting to be primary manager - then the other manager loses out. The solution should be that non PRO can at a minimum search for and click on all profiles they manage - primary manager or not.

Well, I've been a curator for a year and that's the first I've heard that Primary Managers could be manipulated. You must know some special tricks, Fred. If that were the case, all the tons of profiles whose primary manager is someone who hasn't been on Geni in three years would have been changed, I would think. Let me know your secret.

Yes, I agree that if search for Managed by Me is only bringing up profiles that I am Primary Manager of, that is a serious bug that needs to be repaired. Mike Stangel, this search needs to pull up ALL profiles managed or co-managed by the person.