Evidence: Edith Day.& Edward VII, King of the United Kingdom?

Started by Private User on Monday, April 15, 2024
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Hello,

Again, another profile claiming to be a child of. Edward VII, King of the United. Kingdom.

Edith Day

Edward VII, King of the United Kingdom

While Edward certainly had mistresses, he never acknowledged any children outside of marriage, and none. came forward.

What is the. hard evidence for a relationship between. Edith Day and Edward ? Who was Mary Ellen James and what evidence is there she had a child with Edward? Why was this added to Geni?

Thank you !

https://www.thepeerage.com/p10066.htm

Children of Edward VII Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, King of the United Kingdom and Alexandra Caroline Marie Charlotte Louise Julia zu Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg, Princess of Denmark
Albert Victor Christian Edward Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, 1st Duke of Clarence and Avondale14 b. 8 Jan 1864, d. 14 Jan 1892
George V Windsor, King of the United Kingdom+ b. 3 Jun 1865, d. 20 Jan 1936
Louise Victoria Alexandra Dagmar Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, Princess Royal of the United Kingdom+ b. 20 Feb 1867, d. 4 Jan 1931
Victoria Alexandra Olga Mary Windsor, Princess of the United Kingdom b. 6 Jul 1868, d. 3 Dec 1935
Maud Charlotte Mary Victoria Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, Princess of the United Kingdom+ b. 26 Nov 1869, d. 20 Nov 1938
Alexander John Charles Robert Albert Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, Prince of the United Kingdom b. 6 Apr 1871, d. 7 Apr 1871

Bumping

It is only fair these should also be explained and documented.

Günther Kipp Erica Howton

Hello!

I am very curious about the revisions for this profile.

There are no sources supporting these relationship. Can anyone explain a bit more? Everything I have found indicates Edward had no children outside of his marriage, and I would like to understand.

Thank you,

Karrie

This is difficult for me to address as I am not particularly familiar with contemporary or recent nobility. There are many trees that seem to have Edith Day as daughter of Edward VII, King of the United Kingdom but there is no active profile manager on Geni. So, I cannot explain how it arrived on geni, or based on what evidence; and I’ll say again, way out of my comfort zone. But since there’s been no response, and https://www.thepeerage.com/p10066.htm doesn’t list her, I’ve gone ahead her and her mother Mary Ellen James from the King.

Thank you Erica Howton Is there a better person to tag for contemporary nobility? I respect the time and effort you and the others put in, so want to address the correct people, so looked to the revisions. I'm also putting a good amount of time into proper sourcing, and direct family members here, so it is important to me that the connections and wider World Tree are accurate. I'm certain I will find more examples like these fleshing out lines I am working on currently and do not want to cause a bother for anyone.

Sources and explanations can always be added, and connections reinstated if valid, right?

Thanks again.

Private User - I’d say all / any geni members are impressive genealogists, and curators more often take a technical and moderating role. So I (most curators) can analyze profile revisions stories, and obviously, a curator of record should be tagged.

Another issue to keep in mind is that as a generality, geni curators are working in the historic zone, and geni customer support with active members and their near families. So profiles can be reported from the actions menu for geni support attention.

Erica Howton
I am too very curious how some claims to recent royals seem to be fine left alone on Geni without any proof of the claimed relationship/s while "some" trees get hacked to pieces by you and other alike?
Again you are saying "I am not particularly familiar with contemporary or recent nobility." yet you had enough knowledge and no problem dissmissing my claim to a recent royal and 50 years of my reseach...

Private User

Your tree was brought to attention by geni members. We then had both public and private discussion analyzing the evidence presented, and concluded that it does not yet meet the standard we strive for. No one is saying it’s impossible; we have, however, determined it’s not yet there, for geni.

This was not my decision. It was a consensus amongst participants, who included Geni Customer Support. You are more than welcome to contact them directly and appeal the disconnect.

Email is misconduct@geni.com

Re: I am too very curious how some claims to recent royals seem to be fine left alone on Geni without any proof of the claimed relationship/s …

If it’s brought to attention via discussion, we do the best we can. You will notice that I went ahead with Edith Day detaching without a profile manager defense of the relationship.

One thing that seems to happen with collaborative sites too is people simply add from OTHER places, without doing any additional research into what they've added.

So basically, one person puts a relationship out there--Ancestry, MyHeritage, Family Search, a random personal blog, and if it suggests a tie to nobility or someone famous, others notice and t takes off like wildfire.

I think something *might* have happened like this with Edith Day because I see plenty of trees with her mentioned, but NONE of them have ANY sources to back the claims. Nothing. Not even some sort of "as told to my Auntie Erica".

So, again, thank you for disconnecting.

I use to think that I must be 100% sure, before connecting profiles, but it has happened that I have settled for less, and that is why errors have occured. I have set out 15000 profiles on Geni, and my error rate is 0,0002, I can live with that, but every single mistake is a reminder to do a better work.

Avoid DIY links, if not sure, pass it, do the research yourself if you have doubts, never link just on a rumour or hearsay. Any speculations can be written in the "about me" field. If you follow this you might get a lower error rate than me, I hope.

That is good practice and advice Private User

I'm admittedly sometimes less cautious than maybe I should be when first *adding* distant relations who are regular people, and will refer to hints. I do check the work as I go, and also return to them periodically and fix errors. I think it is acceptable to have a work in progress, and we will all make some mistakes. Some of the sources have mistakes too--especially if you go by the digitally transcribed ones instead of squinting at the old handwritten ones. Maybe we get something up and then go back over it and triple check once we know enough to hopefully hunt down the dusty oldest originals? If we're lucky! :-)

For example: It is one thing to have the wrong Anders Larsson when there were 3 of them born the same day and year in a small town, all tenant farmers, and quite another to assume one is a Prince just because it pops up in a Family Search suggestion, and leave it as such for flattery purposes. I think we all need to be even MORE careful when out of the blue a person from ordinary family circumstances is suggested as such. Otherwise we end up in a situation with the false trees acting as "sources" for one another. Most likely, only a very few people will ever view the tenant farmer Anders, but the one who is incorrectly linked as a royal will take off and be copied all over the place.

(Totally fiction. As far as I know, at least. I just get tired of sorting that one name personally, hehe!)

Whenever I check a relationship path, I revisit any “nobles” in the link to make sure it’s correct. It’s one of the best ways I’ve found to vet on geni. For Americans with substantial English, like I have, there are not so many “gateway” ancestors, and they are noted in projects:

If there are any we don’t have, we should be building those trees.

Erica Howton The Gateways reminds me of something I have wondered about Elizabeth Tilley Howland. I will start a separate thread later to not mix this farther, but suspect something *might* be hinky with her lines here prior to the Mayflower.

Tilley treetop is William Tilley

I don’t see any nobility.

Erica Howton The paths I noticed popping up are via her mother. Example: Elizabeth (Tilley) Howland, "Mayflower" Passenger is Henry I "Beauclerc", King of England's 15th great granddaughter.
Henry I "Beauclerc", King of England → Empress Matilda (his daughter) → Henry II "Curtmantle", King of England (her son) → John I "Lackland", King of England (his son) → Henry III, king of England (his son) → Edward I "Longshanks", King of England (his son) → Edward II, king of England (his son) → Edward III, king of England (his son) → John of Gaunt, 1st Duke of Lancaster, 1st Earl of Richmond (his son) → John Beaufort, 1st Earl of Somerset (his son) → Edmund Beaufort, 2nd Duke of Somerset (his son) → Lady Anne aka Jane Beaufort Beaufort (his daughter) → Elizabeth Saville (her daughter) → Isabel Ayshton Marshe (her daughter) → Robert Marshe (her son) → Rose Rushe (his daughter) → Joan (Hurst) Tilley, "Mayflower" Passenger (her daughter) → Elizabeth (Tilley) Howland, "Mayflower" Passenger (her daughter)

I just got home again, so will look for sources/start a new thread if you prefer it, but I thought the only Mayflower passengers known to have descent from royalty were the More children?

I'm starting a new thread to keep this clean. Hope that is ok!

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