Petronelle d'Auxerre de Gâtinais, Comtesse de Anjou - Charlemagne is my alleged ancestor

Although we love to have sources, it is not a requirement here. Much to my chagrin. You have to decide for yourself if you accept the lineage or not. When we find obvoius errors we will correct them.

Dear Steven, I am afraid I have to disagree emphatically. Sources are absolutely a requirement here. Colin Henshaw please link the profiles and lineages for which there is no evidence and we can clean up those spurious connections.

Connections in the Geni tree need to be based on facts primary sources. Inaccurate and unsupported connections have no place in such a tree.

Tamás Flinn Caldwell-Gilbert I wish it were so. But when I look at the connections between my colonial American family and European nobility, there are many generations without a shred of sources, other than other on line genealogy sites. So, those are the ones I discount until better material come up.

Steven Mitchell Ferry & Colin Henshaw

I need to reiterate and reinforce what Tamas explains at https://www.geni.com/discussions/265248?msg=1632575.

Unfortunately, we don’t have pre 1500 profiles locked in (as yet), nor are all (valid) profiles sourced (please help). But we (curators and PRO, please help) absolutely need to clean out spurious connections.

We can only do this however when attention is called. The best way is a query from that profile so we can all see what geni is offering.

Private User - thanks again for explaining.

Tamas & I (and other curators) can specifically address ancestors of Colonial Americans. There are in fact projects where one can check:

https://www.geni.com/projects/Gateway-Ancestors-from-Charlemagne-USA/4481376

https://www.geni.com/projects/Southern-Gateway-Ancestors-of-Proven-Royal-Descent/43706

https://www.geni.com/projects/New-England-Gateway-Ancestors-of-Proven-Royal-Descent/43693

https://www.geni.com/projects/Mid-Atlantic-Gateway-Ancestors-of-Proven-Royal-Descent/43715

I’ve updated the profile for Petronilla of Burgundy as based on Cawley’s Medlands:

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ANJOU,%20MAINE.htm#_Toc256354716

However, it may be best to identify her as “fictional” altogether, as https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Des_Francs-14 has. Feedback appreciated.

Cawley says that, as to Petronilla, her father, her husband, and his father, they are probably not historical persons. I agree with marking them as fictional.

Ingelger, count of Anjou Would then become the earliest known Angevin. He’s been detached from Petronilla & Tertullus de Gâtinais, Sénéchal of Anjou

I found this easier to understand than Medlands.

The Henry Project: The Ancestors of King Henry II of England: Foulques I "le Reux" (Fulk the Red, Fulco Rufus). (Commentary section) < link > Compiled by Stewart Baldwin

Given the contemporary evidence which shows the gradual rise of Foulques, first without title, then as viscount, finally as count, most scholars have rejected the legendary account of Foulques's ancestors in Gesta Consulum Andegavorum [e.g., Mabille (1871), Werner (1958), Settipani (1997)]. For a recent attempt to find some history in the account of Ingelger and his "ancestors" in Gesta Consulum Andegavorum, see Bachrach (1989) [also, see Settipani (1997) for a response to Bachrach's attempts]. Thus, although Ingelger's name is well documented, nothing certain can be said about him.

The other "ancestors" could be outlined as follows:

Supposed grandfather (probably mythical): Tertullus.

Supposed grandmother (probably mythical): Petronilla, consanguinea of Hugues "the Abbot", d. 886.

Although the "duke of Burgundy" who was supposedly a relative of Petronilla is not explicitly named in Gesta Cons. Andegav. in the passage mentioning Petronilla's supposed marriage to Tertullus, it is clear from context that the person intended is Hugues "the Abbot" (who does not appear to have actually held the title of "duke of Burgundy").

Ville Matti Nevalainen - your site is mixing up two different Hugh “abbots.”

The one who is supposed to be related to Petronilla is Hugh “the Abbot” He was the abbot of de Saint Germain d'Auxerre.

The abbot of Saint-Quentin was Hugo, Archchancellor of the Empire

He wasn’t married, I don’t think.

See the notes in his profile:

He is sometimes confused with Hugh the Abbot, resulting in the erroneous claim that he had a daughter, Petronilla, who married Tertullus of Anjou, the semi-legendary father of Ingelger, first count of Anjou. The late accounts of the Angevin origins actually make Petronilla a kinswoman of Hugh the Abbot, not of Charlemagne's son.