Claes Cornelissen van Schouwen - Too many wives?

More than possibly.. I'll have to take a concerted look..

Thank you. There’s a big merge I didn’t want to contribute to more issues.

I suppose we should just change the DOB to 1605 and leave the other date in a note...
I will do that.

What about the first wife, though?

hard to say..
I was just looking a the child: Floris Claesen van Schouwen

who seems to be Metje's

There seems to be another interesting artifact.
One Claes is said to have been Petrus Stuyvesant's farm manager, (another?) had ships... and crossed and recrossed the Altlantic... It would be hard to see these men as one and the same. oh, well..

Then there's Gerertie Nannachs who was added as a wife recently... not sourced ..

Tryntje Claesen Bowman
(supposed 1st child in list in the <about> section, born early on is said to be the child of Metje's as well... Taking this with Floris' much laler baptism, implies no other wives...
I'm getting dizzy at this point

This may help us out:
Margariet van der Goes died in 1631 in the Netherlands.
But it doesn't bear on the "two Claes' problem".
I just added the death date to her profile, reflecting the notes...

Trying to keep to a 'one Claes' scenario:
William Clawson was born after the death Metje. She died c. 1652; William was born in 1657.

Gerertie Nannachs may have been William's mother and be a third wife of Claes' ????

The last post has an error in it. Looking at baptisms:
had to have died after 1655
See that she and her husband witnessed this baptism:

1655 Aug 15; Hendrick Volckertszen, Geertie Claes; Volckert; Claes Corneliszen, Joris Jacobszen, Metje Herberts

Metje was alive on August 15, 1655 so may have been alive for the birth of William... (AccordingIy, changed Metje Herpertse 's date of death to after 1655.. It's probably 1657 or later...

I’m still tossed up.

Going up a generation, I added biographies for Cornelius Peterssen Van Schouwen & his wife Johanna Eriksson in Sweden.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/130719737/johanna-eriksson cites Progenitors of the Wyckoff Family (FHL #929.273/W971ww), p 49 and p. 73.

(So it’s a book that’s probably readable on line now, but it may be romanticized / outdated?)

Cornelius and Johanna Petersson were the parents of the following known children:

1. Claes Cornelissen VanSchowen …

Claes Corneliszen van Schouwen

Since they lived and died in Sweden, how is he born in Netherlands?

So I turned to a blog so this needs checking

http://bakerfamilytree.blogspot.com/2007/01/our-scandinavian-ancest...

Claes Cornelissen van Schouwen … was born on April 3, 1597 on the Island of Oland located four miles off the southeast coast of Sweden, son of Cornelius Petersson (1560-1599) m. Johanna van der Goes ( ?-1592). Married 1) Margaret van der Goes, on November 9, 1623 2) …

Claes was a sea captain and merchant-trader. At one point he owned two vessels and four warehouses, one located on the Island of Oland, one in Schouwen in the Netherlands, one in Germany, and one in Denmark. He lived part of his life on the Island of Schouwen in the Netherlands and as was the Dutch custom, his Dutch surname name, van Schouwen, was taken from the location of his home. He married a Dutch women, Margaret van der Goes, on November 9, 1623 and shortly thereafter returned with his new wife to Oland to live near his relatives. …

On October 1, 1636, Claes with his son Pieter, departed from Amsterdam on the ship “Rensselaerwyck” headed for America. They arrived in New Amsterdam on March 8, 1637. Claes remained in Manhattan working as a contractor for the rest of his life. He died in 1674. He remarried in New York and had four more children, including our great (x8) grandmother, Pieterje Claussen van Schouwen who was born in 1640.

So, earlier birth, two wives (not three), lost his money and became a New Amsterdam “contractor.”

He remarried in New York and had four more children, including our great (x8) grandmother, Pieterje Claussen van Schouwen who was born in 1640.

Pieterje Claessen van Schouwen

I’ve spent all evening cleaning up the descent line. She cannot have been baptized in “ New Amersfort” as daughter of Margaretha van der Goes died 1631 in Netherlands. So her biography has trouble, especially since she wasn’t a Wyckoff. I’ll fix it now.

Metje Herpertse

From https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Corneliss-2

Claes Corneliss was born about 1607 in Brouwershaven, Schouwen, Zeeland, Netherlands (now called Schouwen Duiveland) , Claes married Metje Herperts on March 21, 1632 in Sloterdijck (near Amsterdam) Noord Holland, Netherlands. At the time of the marriage he was 25 and living at the Brouwersgracht, and Metje was 20, born in Amsterdam, the daughter of Pietertje Jacobs and Herpert Jansz.

They had at least two children baptized in Amsterdam:

1. On June 12, 1633 daughter Trijntje . [2]
2. on 14 August, 1635, son Herpert [3]

They emigrated to the New Netherland and had more children:

1. Geertje (Grietje ?) Claes, she married Hendrick Volckertszen.
2. Child Pieter(t)je ( probably named Pietertje , after maternal grandmother) Claes was baptised October 28, 1640 in the Manhattan Dutch Reformed Church., she married Symon Jansz (Van Arsdalen)

I see another list there I don’t quite understand.

Notes:

• Note H115: There was no marriage with Margaret van der Goes, daughter of Martyn van Der Goes and Margaretha Tijsen 9 Nov 1623 at Middleburg, Holland
• Also known as Claes van Schouw - This file shows the name Claes Cornelissen, the Conover file shows Claes Cornelissen van Schouw
• b. 03 Apr 1597, Boda, Isle of Oland, Holland, The Netherlands or Island of Schouwen, Eastern Scheldt

Also see the Y DNA comments on the Wikitree page.

Also see the comment:

the family was quite a puzzle and indeed a result of some fake stuff or 'wishful' parents or deeper ancestors by Gustav Anjou and there were a lot of duplicates..added a link to the txt for the according that info assumed (but not his) wife Margaret van der Goes, there also notes are added that mention the Gustav Anjou fraud.

Private User May be of some assistance as well.

This is the Brouwer databases list of children:

https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~brouwergenealogydata/genealogy/p264...

1. Tryntie Claes+2 b. bt 1627 - 1637
2. Geertien Claess+3 b. b 1639
3. Pieterje Claese+1 b. 28 Oct 1640
4. Cornelis Claeszen7 b. 4 Oct 1643
5. Floris Claeszen8 b. 20 Jan 1647
6. Gerbrants Claesen+4 b. 4 Apr 1649, d. 19 Jun 1703
7. Arien Claessen9,2 b. 5 Nov 1651, d. 1703

And here we go.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Van_der_Goes-31

Note: Pieter Claessen Wyckoff was not the son of Margaret Van Der Goes, as claimed by the fraudulent genealogist, Gustave Anjou !

We’ve been Anjou’d. Yes, it’s a verb.

And bogus’d.

Marriage: Date: 9 Nov 1623 Place: Holland Reusel de Mierden to : Claes Corneliss Van Schouwen, Wyckoff (who was not a Wyckoff)

Note that this is a completely bogus marriage location. Here is a Dutch Genealogy blog which explains the error. It comes from an early Family Tree Maker autocomplete for "Holland" which failed to recognize the name as the intended Netherlands, and instead "found" a match for an obscure street in a tiny village of Reusel. As a result, this location has been propagated into countless trees all over databases and the Internet. It should be removed wherever it is found, because it is extremely unlikely that many people's genealogical ancestors actually came from that small town.

So - this is the bogus ancestry for Pieter Claesen Wyckoff trying to give him Viking ancestry.

I’m not sure yet who to do with all of Margaret’s children, but I’ll move the children that don’t belong to her as per the list above. So far I’m thinking just disconnect her from not-her-husband with children attached to her; no husband because it’s not our guy; and also, disconnect him from the Swedish parents back to the Vikings.

This article explains it.

Two men, one from Sweden, married Margaret van der Goes in the Netherlands. Son Pieter, wrongly identified as the immigrant Peter Wyckoff. Hoffman doesn’t identify any other children of them.

Our Claes, deposed once that he was b 1605, another time b 1597. Wife unknown (in 1945). 7 children.

William J. Hoffman, "Claes Cornelissen Van Schouw(en), Meutelaer and the Wyckoff Ancestry", The American Genealogist Vol. 22, page 65 (1945): 22:68

(document attached)

From page 66, above

Parents unknown - detached

• William Clawson
• Jan Claesen van Schouw, I
• John Claesen van Schouw

Not a known wife - detached

• Gerertie Nannachs
• Margariet van der Goes (she was the wife of Capt. Claes Cornelissen van Schouwen & they were the parents of Pieter Claes van Schouwen)

Detached from parents

• Cornelius Peterssen Van Schouwen & Johanna Eriksson (They were the parents of Capt. Claes Cornelissen van Schouwen)

That leaves a lot of children attached to Metje Herpertse who still need sorting.

There are notes here of interest including specific locations.

https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~brookefamily/genealogy/vanschouwenc...

Claes Cornelisz
by Susan Brooke
Apr 2021

We know "Claes Corneliszen" was in New York by by Sep 1638 when he appeared in a court case suing La Montagne for assaulting his wife. Joannes La Montagne plead guilty and had to pay 6 guilders to the poor. (8) "Claes Cornelisen" was listed as a seaman from Amsterdam on 27 Jun 1639, receiving 17 florins from skipper Cornelis Pietersen. (9) When "Claes Cornelissen" gave testimony on 5 May 1640 about a land sale, a Marten Harbersen, aged 26, gave oath at the same time. It has been speculated that he could be a brother to Metje Herperts, wife of Claes Cornelissen. (1) The case involved an Maryn Adrlaensen who was selling her plantation. Two weeks before "Claes Cornelissen" had been suing her over the "delivery of a boat and building a sloop." (8)

So, Claes Cornelissen was a seaman from Amsterdam, living on 16 morgans of land on Long Island, and he and his wife, Metje Herperts, were baptizing their children in the Dutch Reform Church. The last time we find him in a church record is when he was witness at the baptism of Volkert, son of his daughter Geertie Claes, in 1655. (7)