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Who do we add to this project ?

All those who were RC or all who served as Popes , Cardinals , Bishops , Abbotts , Abesses , priests , nuns and those died as martyrs ?
RC saints ?

All baptised Roman Catholics ?

It seems clear, to me: to complement the list of "canonical popes" would suffice - in the same project - only their respective "anti-popes".

All the Kennedy clan on this project . Some unknown relatives of some .

Dutch converts even if Royalty do they belong here ?

Kathryn Kiffmeyer (Schwake) (1839 - 1921)

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Everhard Henrich Kiffmeyer (1831 - 1913)

"Henry Kiffmeyer"

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Eleanor Mayer (NN) (1809 - 1881)

"Lanna", "Eleanor Meyer"

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Karl Mayer (1809 - 1902)

"Charles Mayer"

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Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis, 32nd First Lady of the United States
She is on here -- a pope a Nun ?
If she is here on project , then all my paternal ancestors should be here .

Florence Rigali

A Fallen nun ?

Paul Ryan, 54th Speaker of the U.S. House

Why is he on project ?

Margaret of Clarence, Countess of Salisbury

BEATIFIED by Pope Leo XIII 12/29/1886

Margaret Pole, the Blessed, Countess of Salisbury, born Margaret of York (14 August 1473 – 27 May 1541), was an English peeress. She was the daughter of George, Duke of Clarence, who was the brother of King Edward IV and King Richard III. She was one of two women in sixteenth-century England to be a peeress in her own right with no titled husband.[2] One of the few surviving members of the Plantagenet dynasty after the Wars of the Roses, she was executed in 1541 at the command of King Henry VIII, who was the son of her cousin Elizabeth of York. Pope Leo XIII beatified her as a martyr for the Roman Catholic Church on 29 December 1886

She definitely belongs here

My own mother-in-law the most decent , honest , real Roman Catholic ever .

My grandfather who never forced his faith on his own wife -- more than 1000 years Weyers family unbroken line of Holy Mother church , same my Schmitz family .

Made me decide to accept and be baptised as a RC age 22 only .

Every baptized Catholic - whether "cradle Catholic" or convert - should be added to the Roman Catholic Church project (https://www.geni.com/projects/Roman-Catholic-Church/794). The Rooms-katholieke religieuzen project (https://www.geni.com/projects/Rooms-katholieke-religieuzen/3416) appears to be a duplicate project.

These other projects also exist, the names of which I think are self-explanatory, but please ask for clarification if you disagree about that:

• https://www.geni.com/projects/Clergy/17622
• https://www.geni.com/projects/Roman-Catholic-Antipopes/492
• https://www.geni.com/projects/Roman-Catholic-Bishops/24009
• https://www.geni.com/projects/Roman-Catholic-Cardinals/1127
• https://www.geni.com/projects/Roman-Catholic-Sisters-and-Nuns/26156
• https://www.geni.com/projects/Roman-Catholic-popes/360
• https://www.geni.com/projects/Roman-Catholic-saints/1300

There are also projects that focus on subgroups of the aforementioned projects - for example, the Catholic Church of Québec project (https://www.geni.com/projects/Catholic-Clergy-of-Qu%C3%A9bec/17911). You can find most of those subgroup projects by navigating to the Roman Catholic Church project, then clicking the "show all" link next to the "Related Projects" heading on the right side of the page.

J P Weyers, now I will address the various people that you mentioned above:

• the Kennedy clan - which I presume is the extended family of American president John Fitzgerald Kennedy - has many members who are Catholic
• Kathryn Kiffmeyer is Catholic
• Everhard Henrich Kiffmeyer is Catholic
• Eleanor Mayer is Catholic
• Karl Mayer is Catholic
• Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis, 32nd First Lady of the United States is Catholic but not a pope or a nun
• Florence Rigali is Catholic and was a nun - maybe fallen, I am uncertain and probably will not find out on this side of eternity
• Paul Ryan, 54th Speaker of the U.S. House is Catholic
• Margaret of Clarence, Countess of Salisbury is Catholic - I invited her profile to the Roman Catholic Church project

All of your ancestors and other relatives who are Catholic should be added to the Roman Catholic Church project.

Thank you cousin John.
Havexadded Herbry VIII as a Catholic originally but founder of Anglican Church

Typo !!
Added Henry VIIII as baptised RC but founder of Anglican Church.
His first wife Catherine of Aragon as a good example of a steadfast RC

The Abbesses project shold be renamed RC Abesses I think ?

I had thought of abbots and abbesses projects as including Buddhists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbot_(Buddhism)

Wikipedia includes Eastern Orthodox, Coptic and Anglican.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbess

Mmm ?
Maybe better to separate accirding to religion?

Not for me. Wikipedia definitions. :)

John, genuine question: what is the value of adding people to top-level projects if more specific ones exist? For example, why add a nun to both the "Sisters and Nuns" project and the "Roman Catholic Church" one?

Think of projects like you would organizing files on your desktop. You have a "Documents" folder, then a folder inside that one called "Genealogy," then one inside that one called "Smith Family." You put a document about the Smiths only in the "Smith Family" one -- you don't copy it into all three. Does that make sense?

It makes more sense to use the "Roman Catholic Church" project as a top-level umbrella, with no profiles added to it, and then put the profiles into the more specific subprojects. All the best organized projects follow that same approach. Something to strongly consider here if we're rethinking how this longstanding project should move forward.

From what I remember, the intention of this project was more about the "Roman Catholic Church" -- meaning, Church officials, clergy, saints, etc. -- than it was about "Roman Catholics." It's never been the guidance to add everyone who ever identified as Roman Catholic -- for that, we use the "Religion" field on their profiles.

Unless JFK was secretly a priest, he isn't what the project was intended for, and I would remove him from it and put his affiliation in his "Religion" field instead.

Another great way to find guidance on who to add to a project:

Look back to the earliest profiles. For the first five years of this particular project, it was just popes, bishops, and saints -- and even then, most were instead put into subprojects, not this top-level one. The addition of laypeople to the project didn't happen until relatively recently.

Ashley Odell - valid points.
Maybe Roman Catholic Church as overall starting point , umbrella then in main body links to all the subprojects
June Barnes did a brilliant project with Place Names in South Africa dividing it alphabetically.
Some might ask what is Luther , Mennon and Henry VIII doing here as well

Adding all our catholic family nembers will explode this project.
Maybe separate project Roman Catholic ancestors but even that will quucky fill up.
Catholic Presidents , Writers ,Congressman , Prime Ministers , their spouses , artists also another project ?

Famous converts like Oscar Wilde , Duchess of Kent and Dutch royalty some other project

Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis is my 23rd cousin twice removed.

21 cousin 4thimes removed!!

"Adding all our catholic family nembers will explode this project."

Correct -- there have been literally billions of Catholics in history. It also wouldn't serve much genealogical or organizational purpose to have such a project -- unless someone can make that case, in which I'm genuinely interested in hearing the argument.

To use a different example...we have a "Notable Dutch Americans" project, because 1) it gives us a place to work together to make sure all the most notable ones are on Geni and 2) it gives users with Dutch ancestry a place to check and find paths to notable figures who will be closer to them than notables from other ethnicities. So there are two good purposes for having it.

But we don't have a "Dutch Americans" project that lists everyone ever to live in the U.S. who also had Dutch ancestry, because there's no clear purpose to that, and also it would involve tens of millions of profiles, making it unrealistic and unmanageable. For most Dutch Americans, simply putting "Dutch" in the ethnicity field on the profile itself makes the most sense.

Thx Ashley Odell !
You are completely right this project needs to be pruned and refined.
Wonder if June Barnes would be able to help us redo it ?
Roman Catholic church as Umbrella and
Popes, Nuns , or Church officials? , notable Catholics , famous converts Duchess of Kent one , Catholic presidents of USA ( will have how many ? ) underneath heading .

Hi,
I like to see about this person the mother was Roman Catholic. Page 8 of this book suggest the kids were raised in Catholic faith now wheather they stayed in Catholic faith I not sure.

Sarah Hines Robey

https://forgottenbooks.com/it/download/TheLuckettsofPortobacco_1137...

At the Perogative Court held in Charles County during
“Appeared Samuel Luckett of Charles County who intermarried with the relict and administrator of John Gardiner and showeth that he never intermedled with
1684 goods”
,
Here proof exists of his marriage to the widow, and also for the belief that he had interferred with the
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estate o f her deceased husband.
Elizabeth was the daughter and co- heiress of Thomas Hussey, Gent. , and his second wife Johanna. Although
Thomas Hussey entered the Province as an indenture, he
was styled Gent. ,
of the English gentry. His signature is found on docu

indicating in that day that he was a scion ments which prove that he was educated in letters—an
mplishment not always att
h ibutable to many of t e
acco
early settlers.
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He became one o f the interesting characters
of the early days and once wrote to Lord Baltimore that he ha d been robbed by the Indians “o f a lle but the clothes
on my bodye”
while it is not clear whether he professed the Roman or
.
He contracted numerous marriages, and
Anglican faith, it is known that his second wife was a Catholic, the religion which was imparted to their two
daughters.

Billie

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