Ragnhildr Hákonardóttir - born when?

Removed Aslak Erlingson den unge på Sola Ivar Aslaksson, i Hestbø Grunhild Kalison pending the provision of Sources.

Removed Birth: circa 1060- Death: circa 1105 (36-54) pending the provision of sources

The only birthdate of a child I can find is Cawley's guesttimate of Hakon, according to this:

HAKON Paulsson (before [1070]-Orkney [1126]). Orkneyinga Saga names “Hakon” as son of “Earl Paul Thorfinnson” and his wife[915]. It is extremely unlikely that Hakon was born before [1070], given the estimated birth date of his granddaughter Margaret (see below). Snorre names "Hakon, a son of Earl Paul" when recording that "a year or two after King Magnus's fall…[he] came from Orkney" and was given the earldom of Orkney by Kings Eystein, Sigurd and Olav, before sailing back to Orkney[916]. Orkneyinga Saga records that Hakon left Orkney for Norway where he visited “King Olaf the Peaceful…towards the end of Olaf’s reign” (King Olaf’s death is dated to 1093) before sailing east to Sweden and “King Ingi Steinkelsson”[917]. He was appointed Joint Lieutenant for Sigurd Magnusson King of Orkney and the Isles, when the latter returned to Norway in 1103 on his accession as king. He was installed in [Spring 1105] as Jarl of Orkney by King Sigurd. He ruled as Joint Jarl from Spring 1108, when his cousin Magnus Erlendsson was installed as Jarl of ½ Orkney.http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTTISH%20NOBILITY.htm#PaulIdied1098B

This moves the mother's possible dates to 'estimated between 1022 and 1060'

Thanks for spotting Adam.

As you so clearly put it above, estimated ranges for dates are just that. So it shouldn't look odd to you at all - and it's not showing her as older. Let's not fabricate facts we don't have.

The question becomes the Sources for the birthdates for King Håkon Den Røde Ivarsson Varg av Sørum and Ragnhild Magnusdatter

I'll look later on.

What proof do we have for the date her parents meet?

Cawley cites Morkinskinna, 42, p. 235 as providing by context a likely date for their wedding of around1062.

The problem with using the hard c dates, that were useful to pen and paper genealogists, in a computer programme, is that they quickly compound errors. If you enter only actual Sourced dates and leave the AI to do the calculations, it removes the iterated errors that compound over generations of human thumbsuck errors.

Created project: Descendants of Ivar Hvide. All welcome to join.

cf Hakon "The Imperious" Palson, Jarl of Orkney

Shame on you for your continued insults Ulf. I reported your insults to Geni - I did not hide them - because you have a long history of bullying and insulting people from a position of ignorance on Geni. If experience serves, this escalates fast, for as long as you are allowed to get away with it.

Neither Harald's rule nor Hakon's marriage provide sufficient proof that Hakon doesn't conceive a child before the marriage date. Adding in an argument about what we know for sure about Harald or Hakon's, or Hakon jnr's age might add to that - but the argument needs to be set out logically first.

We are cross posting.

48. From Finn and Hákon Ívarsson

Then they set a policy with Hákon Ívarsson. But when they were found, Finn presented his errand to Hacon, which King Harold had offered him; It soon became apparent in Hakon's speech that he thought it his great duty to avenge Eindrid, his kinsman; said that the words had come to him from Trondheim, that he would have enough strength there to revolt against the king. Then Finn told Hákon how much difference there was, that it was better to take from the king such a great honor, which he himself could expect, rather than risk to build a battle against the king with whom he had previously served. ; said that he would be defeated, and that you had then forfeited both money and peace; but if you overcome the king, you will be called a traitor. The earl also supported this speech with Finn. But when Hacon thought this to himself, he opened up what was in his mood; said thus: I will reconcile with King Harold, if he will marry me Ragnhild, daughter of King Magnus, son of Olaf Olafson, his cousin, with such a homely companion as she deserves and likes. Finnr said that he wanted to confess this on behalf of the king. They confirm this issue among themselves. Then Finn went north to Trondheim; This riot and discipline then settled, so that the king still kept his kingdom in peace within the country, for then all relations which Eindrid's kinsmen had opposed to King Harald were cut short.

What is the dating of the above events?

Above is not when they married - it's well before, if memory serves me - because it is purported that she says he's beneath her as a marriage prospect.

This still isn't proof that they had not already had an illegitimate child together. If you're using Harald's reign as a limiting factor - you need to say why this impacts on Ragnhild Magnusdatter's ability to have conceived a child.

Ahh, but the death date of Magnus I Olavsson «the Good» den Gode functions to limit his daughter Ragnhild Magnusdatter 's birth date at least. I'll put that in.

Now, why is Harald's reign an upper limit on Hakon's daughter's birthdate?

Of course, this birthdate limit for the NN daughter of Hakon Ivarsson (based on the known death date of her maternal grandfather, Magnus), presumes we have sources that place her as Hakon Ivarsson's daughter by Ragnhild Magnusdatter and not by someonelese.