Anne Vaughn (Percy) - Display Name show as "Lady Anne Percy"?

Curator and Managers of Anne VAUGHN,

I am contacting you (again) about this profile: Lady Anne Percy

There is a note near the bottom of the About tab, which states:
"NOT THE WIFE OF (1) Sir Thomas Hungerford, (2) Sir Laurence Rainsford, and (3) Sir Thomas Vaughn".

I do not know when this was added or by whom but wonder if you could possibly review this and determine whether and to what extent you think any or all of this statement is accurate.

From Private User

Erica Howton -- unclear where that info came in from, true -- it's wrong, though; she shows up as married to these three people in several places -- links in Overview.

Thank you for cleanup ! I’m concerned about this record and all these Vaughan children at an advanced age, if she was born 1444

https://archive.org/details/middlesexpedigre651914/page/64/mode/2up...

Can you research the issue? I’ve added a couple of documents. Her parents are documented, so are her marriages, daughter Mary Hungerford is right, but other children are suggested.

Most importantly, where did the birthdate come from? Her daughter Mary was affianced about 1478 at age 14 or so, so the 1444 “looks right.” Her burial at Westminster Abbey in 1522 seems pretty certain also.

Private User - the Vaughan pedigree page has a dashed line to Anne Percy’s children, does that suggest uncertainty?

Why does Richardson give her all (possibly) these Vaughan children in Magna Carta Ancestry, 2011?

https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000183179845902

Why is Vaughan born in 1460 on geni? Was Anne Percy robbing the cradle? Also, why did she marry this evil man? He was hated at the Isle of Jersey.

Yes, I will get on this.

(Sorry for sporadic appearances—at the moment still dealing with family.)

Understood. I’ve been connecting tree twigs. And I think I’ll make a probable 1st wife profile for all the kids. She can always be merged in.

I’ll wait on Anne (medievalist) to help us with interpreting the Will & Pedigree correctly. But I’m beginning to feel strongly that it’s impossible for Anne Percy to have had any Vaughan children; and since he was a commoner (buddy of Henry Vll) it certaintly behooved his descendants to imply, without an outright lie perhaps, that they’re from Anne Percy.

Look at the dates based on children. She couldn’t have married Vaughan until after 1490 - yet daughter Mary was born say 1468. She died “at a very advanced age” in 1522. I’m having a lot of trouble with this …

Anne - here’s an image of Evil Sir Hugh’s will.

https://www.wikitree.com/photo.php/d/df/Sir_Hugh_Vaughan-1.pdf

So here’s Lady Anne Percy (complicated) family so far.

In text:

Anne Percy
Birth: circa February 03, 1444 Dagenham, Essex, England
Death: July 05, 1522 (74-82) Littleton & St. Peter, Westminster, Middlesex, England (United Kingdom)
Place of Burial: Chapel of St. Michael, Westminster Abbey, C

Daughter of Sir Henry Percy, 2nd Earl of Northumberland and Eleanor Neville, Countess of Northumberland
Wife of 1) Sir Thomas Hungerford, of Rowden; 2) Sir Laurence Raynsford and 3) Sir Hugh Vaughan
Mother of Mary Hungerford, Baroness Botreaux, Hungerford and Moleyns

This is her entry by Douglas Richardson in Magna Carta Ancestry, which has multiple references:

https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000183179845902

Richardson notes that she “had issue” by Raynsford but doesn’t list them.

And he caveats the Vaughan children as: By his wife Anne Percy, or possibly an earlier wife …

He seems to follow the Middlesex Visitation.

Her first family:

Sir Thomas Hungerford, of Rowden (Executed and attained)

Daughter Mary Hungerford, Baroness Botreaux, Hungerford and Moleyns married 1) Edward Hastings, 2nd Baron Hastings 2) Sir Richard Sacheverell, MP

However Richardson has a daughter Elizabeth Hungerford also. ???

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Her second family:

Sir Laurence Raynsford Who married 1st to Elizabeth Raynsford with issue Sir John Raynsford of Bradfield, Essex (Geni wants him to be my 16th great uncle)

Her third family, that we’re trying to straighten out, and the children need more development.

Sir Hugh Vaughan Parents unknown

N.N. With children
Anthony Vaughan; Anne Townley; Margaret Staunton; Jane Beadnell; daughter Fisher

By 2nd or 3d wife Blanche Vaughan he had: George Vaughan; Francis Vaughan; and Katerin Ryse

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This is so far based on my reading of the pedigree so needs will input.

Here’s Wikitree’s interpretation of the Vaughan family:

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Vaughan-1128

Children of Sir Hugh

Seven children were mentioned in Sir Hugh's Will:

Jane

1. Anne
2. Anthony
3. George
4. Francis
5. Elizabeth
6. Katerine

• Anne, Jane, Elizabeth and Katerine are said to be "those daughter's begotten of the body of my wife Dame Blanche".
• Bequests were left to his daughters in the following order: Katerine £60, Elizabeth £60, Anne £40, Jane £30.
• Anne is noted as being base born in Middlesex Pedigrees in the family of Nicholas Townley who she married.[19]
• Elizabeth is not mentioned on her father's pedigree in Middlesex Pedigrees, but is mentioned in her husband's pedigree, Edward Taylor.[20]
• Katerine is stated to be the youngest daughter in the Will.
• The Will implies that none of the daughters were 21 or married at the time the Will was written in 1533 - however given Anne was likely born pre-1522, this may have just been a sign that the Will was written earlier and only the most crucial elements were being updated in 1533 to avoid an expensive re-write.
• In the Inquisition Post Mortem of Sir Hugh, George, is said to be his heir, unmarried and 14 years old. He is also said to be "narus post nuptias" (after the wedding) based on the Middlesex Pedigrees[21]
• Middlesex Pedigrees also suggests that George, Francis and Katerine were born after the marriage of Sir Hugh and Dame Blanche which may be accurate given Francis was the eventual heir following the "case". But it also suggests that George must have died before reaching the age of 21.
• because of the change in x and y law, and then the legitimacy of his son Anthony was debated extensively in the case of x v. y. Mainly because his first wife was nearly 100 when she died and his son Anthony was much older than his sons born from second wife Blanch.

[22] [23]

A further four children are mentioned in Mundy & Armytage's Middlesex Pedigrees[24] but other than this reference there is no evidence to confirm one way or another that these children were Sir Hugh's.

Rowland (no further details)[25][26]
Margerett (married ....Staunton of Westham)
Bridgett (married John Payne, children Willm, Elizebeth, Gertrnd)
Unknown (married Fisher)
Based on the information available the order of birth of the children is uncertain.

Ah, now I think I understand. George Vaughan was Sir Hugh’s heir and his brother Francis Vaughan was George’s heir.

Additionally there in the Will there were 4 daughters: Anne, Jane, Elizabeth and Katerine are said to be "those daughter's begotten of the body of my wife Dame Blanche".

And Anthony Vaughan is mentioned in the Will, but he’s not Sir Hugh’s heir. Why? Because he wasn’t legitimate, and neither were the extra daughters seen in the pedigree. But they were known children.

Anne Percy wasn’t having any children at age 50.