Sir Patrick Ogilvie of Inchmartin and Balgillo - Generational mix up?

Started by Sharon Doubell on Sunday, December 26, 2021
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Private User says here: https://www.geni.com/discussions/158450?msg=1531667
Years and wives messed up for generations and several later made duplicates for generations.
Here:
Patrick Ogilvy of Inchmartine

These are the original ones for the same people (my ancestors) and the sources are valid and researched by many people for years:
Patrick Ogilvy, of Inchmartine

I can't get into the stirnet link without a subscription.

A quick search of Scots peerage finds these Inchmartine Patricks around the 1500 dates given on the profiles:

Patrick Ogilvy, apparent of Inchmartine, died 21 Nov-
ember 1592 ^ vita patris. He married Margaret, daughter
of Sir James Halyburton of Pitcur.
She married, secondly,
Sir George Hay of Nether Liff,' first Earl of Kinnoull.

Their children were : —

1. Sir Patrick, who succeeded his grandfather.

2. Andrew.^

3. Marjory,^ married (contract dated 29 July 1605) ^ to
https://archive.org/stream/scotspeeragefoun04paul/scotspeeragefoun0...



By indenture dated 25 April 1476," betwixt Andrew, Lord
Gray, and David Ogilvy of Inchmartine, he was contracted
in marriage to Christian Ogilvy, daughter of the said David,
but this marriage did not take place, as appears from a
discharge by the said David Ogilvy to Lord Gray dated 16
January 1503-4/ He married, about February 1492-93, Janet
Gordon, second daughter of George, second Earl of Huntly,
Chancellor of Scotland. She was the relict of Alexander,
Master of Crawford, whom she is accused of having
smothered in the Castle of Inverqueich.^ From John,
Master of Crawford, her first husband's brother, she, as
then wife of Patrick, Lord Gray, had a renunciation of a
lease and feu of the Castle of Inverqueitht, dated 3 February
1492-93. This marriage appears to have been dissolved
between March 1501 and March 1508, as at the latter date
she appears as the wife of Patrick Butter of Gormock.'
She was married, fourthly, before November 1535, to James
Halkerston of Southwood.*

Patrick, third Lord, left no legitimate issue, but he had
a natural daughter Janet, who had a charter in liferent
from Patrick Ogilvy of Inchmartine 6 April 1541
.^ She
was married, first, to William Ogilvy of Inchmartine, and
had issue ; and secondly, before 1566, to James Sandilands
of St. Monance.'
https://archive.org/stream/scotspeeragefoun04paul/scotspeeragefoun0...


6. Sir Patrick of Invergowrie had a charter of annual-
rent out of the lands of Balgawie to himself and
Euphemia Murray, his spouse, on 18 May 1589,® and
died 31 August 1606.*° He married, first, Euphemia,
daughter of William Murray of Tullibardine, widow
of Robert Stewart of Rosyth, and of Robert Pitcairn,
Commendator of Dunfermline ; she died 24 August
1596 ; " and, secondly (contract 16 December 1596 '^),
Agnes, daughter of Sir Archibald Napier of Edin-
billie, who survived him and married Harry Balfour
of Balgay, and afterwards John, son to James, sixth
Lord Ogilvy of Airlie. He had issue Patrick of
Invergowrie, afterwards of Kinnell, also Andrew,
Agnes, Euphan, Elizabeth, and Marion, named in his
testament.
7. Marion, died June 1582,** married, first, to Patrick,
Master of Ruthven, who died shortly thereafter s. p. ;
secondly (dispensation dated 12 April 1561), Patrick
Ogilvy of Inchmartine.

The third Lord Ruthven had issue : —
1. Patrick, Master of Ruthven, a party to the contract
of marriage of Patrick, Lord Gray, and his aunt
Barbara Ruthven 14 January 1556-57. He died ap-
parently soon afterwards, before 1565, when his
brother is styled 'Master of Ruthven.' He married
Marion, daughter of Patrick, fourth Lord Gray, who
survived him, and married, secondly, Patrick Ogilvy
of Inchmartine.
'

Sir Andrew Ogilvy of Inchmartine, the ancestor of Sir
Patrick Ogilvy, younger of Inchmartine, who married
Elizabeth, eldest daughter and heiress of James, first Earl
of Findlater
, was third son of Sir Alexander Ogilvy of
Auchterhouse, Sheriff of Angus.^ His wife Marjory was
one of the three daughters and heirs-portion ers of Sir John
Glen of Balmuto, and of his wife, Margaret Erskine of
Wemyss, and sister of Isobel Glen, the second wife of Sir
Walter Ogilvy of Auchlevyn and Deskford, founder of the
Findlater family. Sir Andrew is a witness to his mother-
in-law Margaret's excambion with David of Wemyss of
her part of Wemyss for David's half of Inchmartine
https://archive.org/stream/scotspeeragefoun04paul/scotspeeragefoun0...

I can't work out the primary source from which this is taken (on Patrick Ogilvy, of Inchmartine 's profile) :
https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/ecco/004896980.0001.000/274:107?page=r...

It says: The Scots Peerage: Founded on Woods Ed. Of Sir Robert Douglass Peerage of Scotland, Vol. 4, 1907, page 32

..."VI. Sir PATRICK OGILVIE of Inchmar∣tin, who succeeded him,Ibidem. and got a charter from king James V. of the lands of Balgillo, and many others, anno 1538.He got also a charter from queen Mary, terrarum dominicalium de Drimmy,Ibidem.&c. anno 1548.He married,Stewart's hist. of the royal family, page 170. 1st, Marian Stewart, daughter of Thomas lord Innermeath, by whom he had a son,William, his heir apparent.He married, 2dly, Janet, daughter of Pa∣trick, fourth lord Gray,Chart. in pub. archiv. ad ann. 1541. by whom he had two daughters.1. Margaret, married to Patrick Hay of Megginch,Ibidem. ancestor of the earl of Kinnoul.2. Janet, married to John Kinnaird of that ilk.VII. WILLIAM, only son and apparent heir of sir Patrick of Inchmartin, married E∣lizabeth, daughter of Patrick Kinnaird of Inch∣ture, ancestor of lord Kinnaird, and died be∣fore his father,Lives of the offic. of state.anno 1558, leaving issue, by the said Elizabeth Kinnaird, a son,VIII. Sir PATRICK, who succeeded his grandfather, and got a charter, under the great seal, domino Patricio Ogilvie, &c.Chart. in pub. archiv. of the lands and barony of Inchmartin, and others, anno 1593.He married Margaret, daughter of sir George Haliburton of Pitcur,Lives of the offic. of state by whom he had two sons.1. Sir Patrick, his heir.2. William, who having been witness to the slaughter of Patrick Kinnaird of Inchture, got a remission under the great seal, Willielmo Ogilvie, filio legitimo Patricii Ogilvie de Inch∣martin, &c.Chart. in pub. archiv. dated 8th December 1594.He was succeeded by his eldest son,IX. Sir PATRICK, who, in his father's lifetime, got a charter from king James VI. Patricio, juniori de Inchmartin,Ibidem.et Annae Camp∣bell suae sponsae, baroniae de Inchmartin, &c. dat∣ed 8th January 1611."... https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/ecco/004896980.0001.000/274:107?page=r...

I'm not finding this on or around pg 32.https://archive.org/details/scotspeeragefoun04paul/page/32/mode/1up (Doesn't mean its not there, though)

Following the line down from Sir Walter Ogilvy of Lintrathen, 1st Lord High Treasurer of Scotland
in Scots Peerage. Going to take a while.

Private User these are two different people altogether. Both valid.

Patrick Ogilvy of Inchmartine
Patrick Ogilvie of Inchmartine (-<24 May 1623)
s/o William Ogilvie & Jonet Gray
x 12 April 1561 Marion/Marjorie Gray d/o Patrick; wid of Patrick,Master of Ruthven (-June 1582)

  • Patrick *Colonel William *James *Thomas

xx Elizabeth Butter

and
Patrick Ogilvy, of Inchmartine
Patrick Ogilvy
s/o James Ogilvy of Balgally & Inchmartine & Isabella Oliphant
x Mariota Stewart d/o Thomas, Lord Innermeath
xx Elizabeth d/o Andrew Kynnaird
by either *William *John * Andreiu *Alexander *David *Christian *Margaret

Sir Patrick Ogilvie of Inchmartin and Balgillo is Patrick Ogilvy of Inchmartine's grandfather.
Patrick Ogilvy of Inchmartine → William Ogilvy of Inchmartine his father → Sir Patrick Ogilvie of Inchmartin and Balgillo his father

Thank you, I realised it later too... There are so many lines and the same names repeat in almost all of them, so I made a mistake being tired. Will try not to do that again, I apologise for taking your time in vain.

We all do that :-) The beauty of a collective tree is the help of joint research.

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