Ednyfed ap Anwn Dynod

Debbie Gambrell

12/26/2020 at 10:37 AM

These are very confusing lines and it seems the only real source is:

http://www.ancientwalesstudies.org/id21.html

On that site, it says Ednyfed was the son of Anwn Dynod and shows him in one of the charts as this:

279 Maxen Wledig (not Magnus Maximus)
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302 Antonius Donatus (Anwn Dynod)
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330 Ednyfed

Notice it lists his father as Antoonius Donatus (Anwyn Dynod) and not as Antonius Donatus Gregorius. And it's very specific that Maxen Wledig is not Magnus Maximus.

Reading the info on Maxen Wledig at this site, it does say: "Virtually every account of the man whom the Welsh called Maxen Wledig identifies him as Magnus Maximusa", BUT if you read further, he explains that 2-3 different Maxens have been merged into one person and that's why there is conflict with the dates and gives examples and states " It is more likely that he figures in the old stories as yet a third "Maxen"

And at the end of the page, he concludes:

" Virtually all of our reconstruction of events is simply conjecture; history is silent on these matters. But any accounts which fail to take chronology into consideration simply cannot be accurate. If the events reported by Geoffrey occurred at all, they must have encompassed the lives of more than a single Maxen."

So, it seems there is no concrete validation for he connections beyond this Ednyfed's father who was known as Antonius Donatus (Anwn Dynod) and whose father was known as Maxen Wledig (not Magnus Maximus). This would mean that this profile has the incorrect name of Antonius Donatus Gregorius:

Antonius Donatus Gregorius

and that basically everything beyond Ednyfed ap Anwyn Dynod ap Maxen Wledig is conjecture based on jumbled up history that can't be proven.

Steven Mitchell Ferry C

12/26/2020 at 11:15 AM

I suggest that you read the rest of the papers that Wolcott has written concerning Maxen Wledig : http://www.ancientwalesstudies.org/id237.html. It may also help you to read his papers on Generational Gaps: http://www.ancientwalesstudies.org/id22.html. That will give you a solid understanding as to how Wolcott determines probable dates in constructing a chronology of events and people.

Debbie Gambrell

12/26/2020 at 11:42 AM

That's the same site where I go tthe info I posted

Steven Mitchell Ferry C

12/26/2020 at 1:53 PM

Debbie Gambrell Yes it is. I would also point out that different chroniclers might use different names for the same person. In this case Anwn Dynod, as known to the Welsh, was also known by his Roman name. For whatever reason he is known by some with the addition of "Gregorius", while Wolcott chose not to include that in his work.

Private User

12/26/2020 at 7:40 PM

Both Antonius Donatus and Antonius Donatus Gregorius are correct; in the early works he shows up both ways.

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