Nicholas Haile - Not sure if he had all these children

Started by Keri Denise Jackson, ♊ Twin "A" on Sunday, April 26, 2020
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He might have but needs more research.

The 14 children listed currently are:

Nicholas Haile, Jr., Mary Boring, Hannah Green, Colonel John H. Hale, Sarah Bowman, Joseph Haile, Millicent Merryman, George Haile, Sabina Cole, Anne Carter, Neale Hale, Henry Hale, Francis Hale, Richard Hale

Let us take a look at the available documentation.

I have attached Nicholas' will to his profile. https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000132097811861&... and https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000132097811863&...

By reading his will we can confirm 8 of the children. Nicholas, Mary, Hannah, Millisant, George, Sabina, Anne, Neale.

Furthermore Henry Hale, son of Nicholas and Frances was born or christened on 25 Mar 1721 at Saint Paul Protestant Episcopal Church, Baltimore, Baltimore, Maryland. So this accounts for Henry. What is not clear is why he was not mentioned in his father's will. Perhaps he died young or he was too young (in which case he might be the same as Henry Hail who married Mary Bradley on 10 Sep 1741 in Baltimore).

Sources for Henry: https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=2565&a..., https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?dbid=4738&h=4291&am... and https://books.google.com/books?id=ZlFPAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA9&lpg=P...

This leaves 5 children: John, Sarah, Joseph, Francis and Richard unaccounted for.

Let's look at each of the remaining children individually.

First of all Sarah Bowman, wife of Edward Bowman. The birthrate listed for her is 1707. This is 50 years after her husband's and many of her children seem to have been born when she was a child, so there is something wrong here. She would have to have been much older than Mary Boring, who Nicholas names as his oldest daughter in his will. So she does not belong here.

Edward does not list a wife in his will and some people claim that Edward's wife was Elizabeth Bowman formerly Elam, like this source-less Wikitree profile: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Elam-181.

This well sourced posting on Edward Bowman does not mention the name of his wife. https://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/bowman/4721/

Can we identify a proper source that names the wife of Edward Bowman as either Elizabeth Elam or Sarah Haile?

Francis Hale and Richard Hale were both imported recently to Geni by Private User. Do you have a source for either of these children Michael Davisson?

Colonel John H. Hale is interesting. We can find the reason that he is included here in Thomas Hale about section:

""Hale, Nathaniel Claiborne, Roots in Virginia: An Account of Captain Thomas Hale, Virginia Frontiersman, His Descendants and Related Families: with Genealogies and Sketches of the Families of Hale, Saunders, Lucke, Claiborne, Lacy, Tobin, and Contributing Ancestral Lines, Philadelphia. PA: privately published, 1948, p. 29:"

THOMAS HALE. Of the Fifth Generation from NICHOLAS HALE (I), the immigrant to Virginia, descending through GEORGE HALE (II) of Lancaster County, Virginia, NICHOLAS HALE (III) of Baltimore County, Maryland, and JOHN HALE (IV), frontiersman. Born 1742, died 1812. Pioneer planter on Virginia's western frontier. Served in Dunmore's War, 1771. Militia officer during American Revolution. Early Justice and Sheriff of Franklin County. Married Jane Armstrong in 1764. . . . Issue: John . . . ; Armstrong . . . ; Jane . . . ; Joseph . . . ; Mary . . . ; Sarah . . . ; Jehu . . . ; Thomas . . . ; Betsy. . . .
["Note by compiler": The lineage of Thomas HALE set forth above appears to be incorrect. According to Maryland, Births and Christenings Index, 1662-1911 [database online], Provo, UT: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2011, the John HAILE who was a son of Nicholas HAILE III and Ann LONG was born on 13 September 1743. It that is true, then that John HAILE could not have been the father of Thomas HALE, who was born one year earlier, in 1742.]"

It seems that people have been attempting to make Thomas' problematic lineage squeeze into Nicholas Haile's family and in order to achieve this he has been stuck all over the family. Here is Captain Thomas Hale, Sr (1742-1802), son of Henry and grandson of Nicholas and here is Thomas Hale (1742-1802), son of Colonel John H. Hale and also grandson of Nicholas. John clearly got attached to Nicholas as his son in an attempt to fulfill the lineage and I doubt that he belongs here.

I have no evidence for any of the remaining children Sorry Tamás Flinn Caldwell-Gilbert . Thank you so much for helping to clean up this line. It has gotten all messed up.

I believe there is a lot of conflation between Nicholas Heale/Haile (haplogroup R-M269) and Nicholas Haile (haplogroup I-P37).

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