Ermengarde de Meaux d'Austrasie - Sources?

In there. The writer has a whole research and 21 reliable sources in it.

Also in the history of europe online and the royal book of genealogy of france. Untoucheable. True or not, it has to be accepted as fact, or it would be like saying phillip isn't elizabeth's husband. Can't touch.

https://www.persee.fr/doc/bulmo_0007-473x_1993_num_151_1_3325

https://data.bnf.fr/12556616/grandes_chroniques_de_france/ written between 1400 and 1600 and the Meaucx TREATY written in 1229

http://docnum.univ-lorraine.fr/public/DDOC_T_2016_0011_GEORGE_vol2.pdf

She's not the wife of Wernarchar, though.

Perhaps I need to rephrase. What Primary Sources?

All we know about him is this:

WARNACHAR [I] (-[600/01]). Fredegar records that "Warnecharius maior domi Teuderici" died in the fourth year of the reign of King Theudebert II[261].

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANKSMaiordomi.htm#_Toc284006002

Also not the mother of Warnachar II

What we know about him is:
Warnachar [II] (-627[269]), Mayor of the Palace of Burgundy (596-599)
Parents UNKNOWN
x NN
*Godin
*daughter
xx Berta (Parents Unknown) married secondly her stepson Godin

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'''1. WARNACHAR [I] (-[600/01]). Fredegar records that "Warnecharius maior domi Teuderici" died in the fourth year of the reign of King Theudebert II[261].'''

NO PROOF OF CONNECTION TO:

1. WARNACHAR [II] (-627[269]). Fredegar records that he helped Queen Brunechilde secure the accession of King Sigebert II after the death of the latter's father in 613, but defected to King Clotaire II after discovering a plot to kill him[270]. In reward, King Clotaire confirmed his appointment as maior domus of Burgundy and swore that he should never be deposed from this office during his lifetime[271]. From this time, Warnachar exercised almost complete control in Burgundy and in [626/27] convoked a synod of bishops[272]. Fredegar records the death of "Warnacharius maior domi" in the 43rd year of the reign of King Clotaire II[273]. After his death, King Clotaire II assumed direct control over Burgundy and appointed no successor maior domus[274]. m firstly ---. m secondly BERTA, daughter of ---. She married secondly her stepson Godin. Fredegar records that, after the death of "Warnacharius maior domi", "filius eius Godinus" married his stepmother "Bertane", in the same year, after which he was forced to flee to Austrasia where he took refuge in the church of St Epure. King Clotaire II permitted him to return on condition that he repudiated his wife, but afterwards ordered him to be killed[275]. Warnachar & his first wife had two children:

>a) GODIN (-murdered near Chartres [627]). Fredegar records that, after the death of "Warnacharius maior domi", "filius eius Godinus" married his stepmother "Bertane", in the same year, after which he was forced to flee to Austrasia where he took refuge in the church of St Epure. King Clotaire II permitted him to return on condition that he repudiated his wife, but afterwards ordered him to be killed[276]. m (627, repudiated [627]) as her second husband, his stepmother, BERTA, widow of WARNACHAR, daughter of ---.

>b) daughter . Fredegar records that "Arneberti duci", married to "Godini germanam", led the group sent by King Clotaire II to kill his brother-in-law[277]. m ARNEBERT, son of ---.

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANKSMaiordomi.htm#_Toc284006002
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cf Warnacher I, Mayor of the Palace of Burgundy and Warnacher II, Mayor of the Palaces of Burgundy & Austrasia

Warnachar II's first wife's name is unknown Unknown First Wife of Warnacher II

I am posting this reply on this discussion, and also on several other related discussions. I would like to re-focus these discussions to the original issues.
On 12/14/18 I posted on the Medieval Dups thread 2 dups for duke Bobon, both locked and neither connected to WFT. I had created a temporary 3rd version in order to attach Bobon's daughter, Ermengarde d'Austrasie
Sharon Lee Doubell felt she needed more info, and started several profile discussions questioning the very existence of Bobon, his children, his brother (Duke Bodogisel) and his father, Mummolin. This was the correct thing to do. There have been many posts from different users providing a variety of sources. My opinion is that the post by Erica Howton (https://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=wtm2&......) is particularly definitive, but that is just my opinion.
Side digressions have also occurred, including whether or not Mummolin ever held the title of " Mayor of the Place of Neustria".
However, the original issue of the three Bobon duplicates has not yet been decided, nor whether his relationship with his father, brother and children have acceptable sources to allow them to exist.
I am not sure more info will be forthcoming, since the last post was 1 week ago. Perhaps we could make a decision based on what was already found and posted?

Citations on profile
1. http://www.histoireeurope.fr/RechercheLocution.php?Locutions=Ermeng... - search doesn't find her.

2. http://www.roegenealogy.co.uk/FH%20Website/fam19050.html - no sources given

3. http://www.our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p3441.... seems to show a different Ermengarde, and no primary sources

Children: Bodilon de Trèves Overview says his parents are unknown.

Eringarde de Dijon is completely unsourced.

wrt http://docnum.univ-lorraine.fr/public/DDOC_T_2016_0011_GEORGE_vol2.pdf - I cannot find this Emengarde there.

Eunius Mommole qui devint depuis ſi celebre par ſes actions & par ſes victoires, commença alors à ſe faire connoître. Il eſt vrai qu'il ternit ſa réputation par la maniere indigne dont il entra dans les Charges. Il étoit d'Auxerre , ſon pere Peone Comte du Payis,

Les principaux de la compagnie étoient le Duc Bobon fils de Mommolene, qui y alla avec ſa femme, & qui étoit comme le Paranymphe, Domegiſele, Anſouald & le Maire du Palais Vaddon, qui avoit été autrefois Gouverneur ou Comte de Saintonge

Seigneur François nommé Bodilon

Tor - Source?

LES MONUMENS DE LA MONARCHIE FRANÇOISE, QUI COMPRENNENT L'HISTOIRE ..., Volum 1
Also for Bobon
Next
Préfets de P A R I S.
[ 141 .. # Louis de France, Dauphin f .
1 Erchinoald Préfet de Paris. º
2 Mummole en 588.
# Ercembald en 665. .
Tablettes Historiques Genealoguques et Chronolgiques volume 2

LES MONUMENS DE LA MONARCHIE FRANÇOISE, QUI COMPRENNENT L'HISTOIRE ..., Volum 1
En la même année mou
rut Varnacaire Maire du Palais de Theodoric , qui laiſſa tous ſes biens aux
pauvres.
Varnacaire Maire du Palais de Bourgogne étant mort, ſon fils Godin ,
homme leger & peu ſenſé, épouſa la même année la veuve de ſon pere, Berte.

Dates?