Coenraet de Visscher - Fudged records...

Thanks Dieter. Yes, these fictitious trees are very frustrating. I have made it a mission to find the original documents for every profile I manage!

Which is the document?

The descent to Philippe V of France is through the Coymans line.

http://www.e-family.co.za/ffy/g5/p5295.htm

So you want Jeanne de Fiffe# /Akke Jans Tiesema de Visscher and Coenraet de Visscher removed as parents of Jan Coenraadsz Visser, SV/PROG - as there is no proof of these people as his parents?

Okay done, pending sources.

I'll lock the relationships completely when we figure out if he has one wife too many, or if the ffyp has one too few.

Yes there is no proof of who Jan Coenraad Visser's parents were.

Descent from the Coijmans line would come from an unknown son of Coenraet de Visscher (who would descend from Philip V of France through his mother Cornelia Coymans). Coenraet de Visscher's only known wife (as of yet) was Maria Schuyl van Walhorn.

Coenraad Pieters Visser married Akke Jans Tiesema in 1811 and is therefore a completely different person to the Coenraet de Visscher (who was born in the 1600s) of the Philip V line.

Somebody had changed about 3 people in this line. I changed the names back to who they were originally when I started checking this line over the last week. Jeanne de Fiffe is also a new person that I don't recall being in the line when I checked it about 9 months ago.

About 9 months ago the connection of the South African Vissers to Philip V of France wasn't on Geni.

Hi Sharon the document is on Coenraet de Visscher's source tab, not Jan Coenraad Visser's source tab. Here is the link:

https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000079251069984&

That's not citing sources though?

It may not cite sources but it is a researched & published geneological work from the late 1800s albeit in overview form seemingly endorsed by the university of Dusseldorf. It is reasonable to assume that the author did his homework and if he didn't his reputation would have been on the line as his sources would more than likely be a matter of public or private record. Either way, it is certainly more credible than MyHeritage user trees...and there is currently no evidence at all for Jan Coenraad Visser's father, let alone that his father's name was Coenraet , or that he was the son of the Coenraet de Visscher of the Philip V line.

Okay. No sources for the relationship.

Now where does this wife - Geertje Aeltje Gerritz, SM/PROG of Jan Coenraadsz Visser, SV/PROG come from?

I don't know, perhaps someone else does. I was primarily trying to confirm the Philip V line and got stuck at Jan Coenraad Visser.

I've started a Discussion about whether the two wives are one, from that profile. I wanted to know because I've locked in the relationships - so they must be correct.

Back to Jan: He appears in the Netherlands, Archival Indexes, Vital Records as follows:

Jan
Netherlands, Archival Indexes, Vital Records
Name: Jan
Event Type: Baptism
Event Date: 13 Jul 1811
Event Place: Sneek, Friesland, Nederland
Event Place (Original): Sneek
Gender: Unknown
Birth Date: 13 Jul 1811
Father's Name: Coenraad Pieters Visser
Mother's Name: Akke Jans Tiesema
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QL6M-BSRK

Or, to be more precise - A Jan Visser appears there with those parents in 1811. Is this where the confusion about Akke Jans Tiesema comes in, or am I just barking up the wrong tree?

No, I see that's who you're pointing to in your first post.

There is no way it is the same person unless his father lived to be more than 200 years old.

Yes. I hadn't seen that that was the point you were making in your first post.

:-)
They're locked off from this profile. We just need to make sure that the wives and children are as we want them because all the relationships get locked if one is locked. (Hence me trying to clean up around it).
Hopefully, Daan Botes will come and double check.