Mary Lee (Bryan), widow Raines - Detachment of Mary Bryan from parents

Hi Erica,

My research and that of most other direct descendants of Captain Thomas lee finds that Mary Ingram (1745-1822) was his last wife. She first married John Rains in 1765. They were the parents of one child, Henry Rains, who was born in 1767. Her first husband, John Rains, was killed on May 16, 1771 during the “War of the Regulators.” Mary Ingram Rains secondly married Thomas Lee in 1772. They were the parents of eight children: Winifred, Zelpha, Mary, Needham, John, William, Edward and James.
Mary Bryant WAS NOT the widow of John Rains.
For the record, both the DAR and SAR only approve applications for membership using the Patriot, Captain Thomas Lee, that list his wife as Mary Ingram Rains. I know this to be true since I am a member of SAR and my wife and daughter are members of DAR.
I hope that one day the profile for Captain Thomas Lee will reflect the above cited information.
Respectfully submitted by Jim Haynes.

Erica Howton,
Maybe i can help clear some of this up. I had a paid genealogist that connected Captain Thomas Lee to Mary Bryan as his wife. Supposedly he married 3 times to a Mary. 1st wife was Mary Smith or Griffen, 2nd wife was Mary Bryan, then to Mary Ingram. There has been much conflict over who marroed John Raines. Whether it was Mary Bryan or Mary Ingram. It does not help that there were several Thomas Lees also. After speaking with my ex researcher. and having her send me the sources, and research notes i began to question that Mary Bryan was the mother of Needham Lee and Winnifred Lee Bailey...i descend through both of them. I contacted a Cousin here on Geni that is head of the dna project. She sent me a lot of info on the dna studies. From the notes my ex researcher sent me, i am not seeing Mary Bryan as the daughter of Elizabeth Whitfield, and William Bryan. I dont know where all this confusion came from, but there is a ton of it out there...and the more you search, the more confusing it gets. So i hired another researcher to help me. In our conclusion of all our research, and studying the dna studies we came to the conclusion that Mary Ingram was Mary Raines Ingram married to Captain Thomas Lee, not Thomas Greenberry Lee. And that Mary Ingram Raines Lee was the mother of my Needham Lee that married Susan Bailey, and my Winnifred Lee that married Thomas Bailey. The very best thing to do here in my opinion is to ask Jacqueli Charlene Finley as she is who did the dna work. Since i learned all of this, and that my first researcher was wrong on this line, i tried to fix it to Mary Ingram Rains as the wife of Captain Thomas Lee, but everything was locked down...so i left it alone until it was questioned again. And, this is not the first line that researcher got wrong. Ive had to fix other lines she has made a mess of as well.

Erica, i contacted Jacqueli and asked her to come here to discussion and give you answers according to dna...hopefully she will see it, and come talk with you here.

Oops Winnifred Lee was married to William Bailey, not Thomas. Thomas was their son.

Well DNA does not lie, and it is not easily understood. But Jacqueli is who did the dna study. Let me go check my notes that old researcher sent. I know that through DAR and SAR the confirmed wife of Captain Thomas Lee is Mary Ingram Raines.

From what the researcher sent me this info on Mary Bryan came from a Bible owned by Mrs. Phil Green. It was supposedly Needham Lees Bible, it states that Mary Bryan was the twin of Lewis Bryan. I believe this Bible was debunked as fraudulent. From what i understand this woman was trying to connect us to the famous Lees of Virginia.

This Bible also states that Mary Bryan married Captain Thomas Lee and had both Needham and Winnifred, and others. But if Mary Lee is not listed as a Bryan daughter, then where did she come from?

Yes, i had originally had Thomas Lee married to Mary Bryan per my researcher, and she had widow Raines being Mary Bryan, not Mary Ingram Raines. But when i questioned her about it, she refused to get at the truth. I now believe through my continued research on these lines of mine of Needham Lee and Winifred Lee Bailey that their mother was actually Mary Ingram Raines Lee. I believe that Mary Bryan came in through the supposed Bible of Needham Lee that this woman, Mrs. Phil Green had that was debunked. She wanted them to be connected to famous Lees. I have no clue why she came up with this Mary Bryan, or if Mary Bryan ever married Captain Thomas Lee. There was also a Thomas Greenberry Lee, and i have wondered if that is who he married. I do have several Ingram dna matches. I just want my tree to be correct. While i am here talking to you...i was informed by someone of Clan Lindsey in Scotland that my Lindsey are incorrect. What i added was correct, but whoever added others is incorrect. I hope all of this Mary Bryan, Mary Ingram gets fixed. I also have dna matches to Bryan/Bryant because my Grandmother was a Bryant...so that doesnt help lol.

The problem is that there were *many* Thomas Lees alive at about the same time, and they all keep getting mashed up with each other because a couple of them *were* descendants of Col. Richard Lee (most were not).

Sorting out Thomas Ludwell Lee (older brother of Richard Henry Lee, "Mr. 1776") is relatively easy because he is comparatively well-documented. The others - not so much.

As to the Y-DNA conflict on John Rains, there does not seem to have been a Y-DNA haplogroup designated A2a for a very long time, if ever (lots of A1 subtypes, though).

There is an mtDNA haplogroup A2a, found mainly in Siberia and upper North America (main North American results so far have apparenlty been Inuit and Athabascan Na-Dene). Here's Roberta Esets on the subject: https://dna-explained.com/2013/10/29/native-american-maternal-haplo...

So, did somebody mis-enter mtDNA as Y-DNA? Or is there an even odder mixup?

Needham seems to have been a popular boys' name back around the mid-18rh century, as there was also one in the John Lee of Nansemond (JLN, not JLX) line. Who were they named after?

Figured that out, Erica, but the A2a report is from "Private user". (Most of the "A2a" results are Rains descendants - unless this is ***very very vary*** old research, I think somebody screwed up.

I just checked the Rains and Raines project groups at FTDNA. No A. Absolutely no A at all.