Joane (Hinckleye) Upham - Joane (Hinckleye) Upham - Is Joane really a Hinckley???

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2/5/2018 at 4:05 PM

From facts below I believe she is not the daughter of

John Hinkle / Henkele,
Gender: Male
Birth: 1512
Harrietsham, Kent, England
Death: circa June 25, 1577 (61-69)
Harrietsham, Kent, England, United Kingdom
Place of Burial: Saint John the Baptist Church, Harrietsham, Hawkhurst, Kent, England, United Kingdom
Immediate Family:
Son of John (H72) Henkele or Hynckleye and Unknown Wife
Husband of Avis Elles and Johane Hinckley
Father of Annes or Agnes (H94) Hinckley; John (H91) Hinckley; Joane (Hinckleye) Upham; Robert ( H92) Hinckley and Anne (H93) Hinckley

She is Not found in the Hinckley: Heritage & History Paperback – 1982 3rd edditon by E. Charles Hinckley (Author)

81 John Hynckleye of Harrietsham, b abt. 1512. Will of 1577, bur 25 Jun 1577.m (1) Johane - - , b abt. 1515, bur 23 Jan 1563/4. (2) m in Harrietsham, 3 Jul 1570, Ayes Elles. Ch by Johane #91 to 93.

91 John Hinckley, bur 13 Feb 1590/1 in Harrietsham, b abt 1535. (see below)
Robert Hinckley of Harrietsham, will 1605, b abt1537. bur 27 ar 1606/7
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93 Anne Hinckley, bapt 8 Oct 1539, probably a - - Lyteince.
Child by m (2):

94 Annes or Agnes Hinckley, bapt 1 Jan 1571/2.

John Hynckleye of Harrietsham, b abt. 1512. Will of 1577, bur 25 Jun 1577.m (1) Johane - - , b abt. 1515, bur 23 Jan 1563/4. (2) m in Harrietsham, 3 Jul 1570, Ayes Elles. Ch by Johane #91 to 93.

She is not mentioned in her father's will below found in the NEGHS quarterly if he is her father - as she died AFTER he died or after the will was made

The Will of JOHN HYNCKLEYE of Harvetishm in the County of Kent and Diocese of
Canterbury 5 May 1577 My body to be buried in the churchyard of Haryetysham To the
poor To the reparation of the church of Haryetisham 3s 4d To Alyce Fekyns wife of John
Fekyns 12d To godson Henrye Hynckleye 12d To Katheryne Lytlehare my daughter's
daughter To my wife Avysse two bushels of wheat lying among the wheat of my son
Roberte Hyncklye All my goods and cattle to my wife Avysse and daughter Annys and to
the latter certain pewter and household goods specified and at the age of twenty one 10 to
be paid by my son Robert For default of payment daughter Annys to enter into my chief
messuage at Haryetsham wherein Robert my son now dwelleth and lands thereto
belonging until the sum be paid If Anuys die before her said age my wife to have 5 and
Henry Hyncklye and John Hyncklye sons of my son John Hyncklye shall have 20s each
To Thomas Hyncklye son of Robert Hyncklye my son The residue of all goods and cattle
unbequeathed now in the occupation of Robert Hyncklye I give to him and make him
executor Henrye Smoothynge and Robert Wyllmott to be my overseers
My last will regarding all my lands and tenements in Haryetsham or elsewhere in the
County of Kent My tenement at Steden strete wherein I now dwell with a barn and
certain lands adjoining called Stylles feylds containing six acres and two other pieces of
land called Newman and chawke lande in Haryetsham to wife Avysse and her heirs for
the term of thirteen years after my decease if she live so long paying the lord's rent and
26s 8d a year to John Hyncklye my son to whom I leave the said property after my wife's
decease or at the end of the said thirteen years at his death to revert to his son Henry
Hyncklye and his heirs male and for want of such to the heirs male of my son John and
for want of such to Robert my son and his heirs male and for want of such to the right
heirs of my son John Son Robert to have use of ponds on said land to draw water To son
John 13s 4d out of my messuage and lands now in the occupation of son Robert for seven
years and a half after my decease with penalty for non payment Whereas I have reserved
unto myself one loft chamber in the house where my son Robert now dwelleth with free
ingress and egress Avysse my wife shall have the same for one year after my decease To
son Roberte Hynkslye for life my messuage where

he now dwelleth with all houses and buildings thereto belonging and all the rest of my
lands tenements and hereditaments in the parish of Ilaryet sham or elsewhere in the
County of Kent ami after his decease I will them to his sons Isaacke Hyneklye and
Thomas Hyucklye and their heirs male and for want of such to the next heirs male of sou
Robert and for want of such to Annys my daughter and her lawful issue and for want of
such to the right heirs of son Robert Whereas by my suffycyent dede sealed with my
scale I have given to Avysse my wife an annuity of is 8d it shall be paid out of the lands
given to son Robert If any of my sons seek to break the entail of my property or if any
legatee contest iny will the legacy of such person to be void Witnesses Rychard
Elmestone Clerk Rvr hard Tassell Nicholas Wade and John Baker Proved at Leuhaui 11
October 1.077 by the oaths of Rychard Elmestone clerk John Baker clerk and Nicholas
Wade witnesses by the executor named in the will Archdeaconry of Canterbury vol 43 fo
30 Inventory 15 9s Gd Act Book 1570 81 fo 75

Thus his known heirs are

His known heirs:

Alyce Fekyns, wife of John Fekyns
godson Henrye Hynckleye
Katheryne Lytlehare, my daughter's daughter.
To my wife Avysse
my son Roberte Hyncklye.
Henry Hyncklye and John Hyncklye, sons of my son John Hyncklye,
To Thomas Hyncklye, son of Robert Hyncklye my son.
To son Robert Hynkslye ... to his sons Isaacke Hyncklye and Thomas Hyncklye and their heirs male

BUT mention of a Joane marrying John Upton is found as:

John Upham
* Birth: 1525 Bicton, Devon, England
* Death: 1584 Bicton, Devon, England
* Burial: 1584 Bicton, Devon, England
* FCID:6198:3419
* Parents
* Father:
* Mother:
* Marriage(s)
* Family Group Joane md. Abt 1555 Bicton, Devon, England
* Children
* 1. Richard Upham b. 1556
* 2. Katherine Upham b. Abt 1558
* 3. Thomas Upham b. Abt 1560
* Family Group Mrs. Joane Upham md. Bicton, Devon, England Children
* http://www.familycentral.net/index/search.cfm?name_first=John&a......
*http://www.familycentral.net/index/family.cfm

Name Joane Hinckley
* Born 1532 Bicton, Devon, England Find all individuals with events at this location
* Gender Female
* Died 29 Apr 1608 Bicton Co., Devon, England Find all individuals with events at this location
* Buried 29 Apr 1608 Bicton, Devon, Englan
* '''Father Sir. Alexander Oliphant, Lord of Kellie Castle, b. 1504, Penrith, Edenhall, Cumberland, d. 11 Feb 1579, Penrith, Edenhall, Cumberland, England (Age 75 years)'''
* '''Mother Margaret Andrew, b. 1504, Saltley, Warwickshire, England'''
* Family ID F58654 Group Sheet
* Married Abt 1498 Bieton, Devon, Engla
* Family John Upham, b. Abt 1525, of Bicton, Devon, England d. 1584, Bicton, Devonshire, England (Age ~ 59 years)
* http://penrose.org/getperson.php?personID=I120004&tree=penrose

2/5/2018 at 8:43 PM

Well why can’t be flying all over England like that. I disconnected her from the Kent family but I suggest you edit out the nonsensical Oliphant parents quoted in the overview in case someone believes it.

Also locked relationships.

Who are her immigrant descendants ?

2/5/2018 at 8:45 PM
2/5/2018 at 8:50 PM

Here’s the real Alexander Oliphant, of Kellie, Kt.

No Joan Upham daughter

2/5/2018 at 8:55 PM

There’s also a note on a MyHeritage tree

he Hinckley family of Devon and the one from Harrietsham, Kent County, England are not the same family, these 2 places are hundreds of miles apart. There are many trees at ancestry.com that have the parents John Hinckley and Johan Bills. They have all copied the wrong information. Please do not add them as this Joane Hinckley's parents.

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