Genealogy of Hans Heinrich Landis, Barbara Landis (Bueller), and Christine Landis (Mettler)

Tagging Private User and Dan Cornett

The revisions show a lot of changes made in the last few hours, first by Karl David Wright and then by Dan Cornett

Clearly you two need to be communicating directly. I hope you already are.

I get concerned when I see merges such as https://www.geni.com/merge/view?revision_id=71435948140

Looks to me like perhaps two different people with two different wives have been confused.

I leave you two to sort this out.

Karl - perhaps leave Dan as curator some space to work this through first

The merge in question occurred for the exact reason I opened this discussion: there are two people married to the same woman who have different names, same birth/death dates, and same children. There appear to be two different realities and different folks each have picked one. I thought there were enough chicken tracks in the profiles to sort it out but clearly whatever disagreement has been in play is still ongoing...

I have tried to contact Dan but he has not responded to my inquiries.

Karl I think you are quite right that this is a difficult area. What might seem to be the same people may not be.

My advice - stand back, don't touch anything, and wait a while.

My reading of the revisions is that Dan is communicating with us. He is communicating through his edits. So let's wait till Dan has finished, and then we can all thank him for his hard work in sorting this out, and of course also ask him then if there are remaining issues.

In the meantime, just wait.

Good advice.
I will sit tight and see what happens.
When all is said and done, I'd be happy to update the profiles with evidence and reasoning behind them.

I haven't gotten to this discussion until now; this is a bit of a messy area.

On FamilySearch, when I try to find more about this particular profile (which was MP'd at one point simply as a "stake" around which to try to sort out issues) I found these when searching for "Hans Landis" with a birth year of 1623: (with these being the ones I thought most likely to be causing confusion here on Geni)

1. Hans (L7FW-XS1)
birth: 15 May 1625, Hirzel, Zürich, Switzerland
christening: 15 May 1625, Hirzel, Zürich, Switzerland
spouse: A Barbara Strickler (K81W-R65​)
father: Rudolf (Rudolph) Landis (L7GJ-SDG​)
mother: Barbara Ritter (L4TQ-T12​)

2. Rudi Landis (LLCR-R8R​)
birth: 11 November 1621, Hirzel, Zürich, Switzerland
christening: 13 November 1621, Hirzel, Zürich, Switzerland
death: 1670, Zürich, Switzerland
spouse: Barbara Buehler (KHTZ-BQG​)
father: Hans Hochstrasser Landis (L4WQ-5N3​)
mother: Elsbeth ( Elsi) Erzinger (M32Y-GKD)

3. Hans Jacob Landis (LCRD-MXV​)
birth: 18 December 1625, Hirzel, Zürich, Switzerland
christening: 18 December 1625, Hirzel, Zürich, Switzerland
spouse: Elsbeth Holz (K8ZS-5J7​)
father: Hans Hochstrasser Landis (L4WQ-5N3​)
mother: Elsbeth Ertzinger (LXQC-17B)

4. Hans Jacob Landis (LKV6-HXV​)
birth: 1632, Kraichgau, Baden-Württemberg, Germany
death: 1687, Weiler, Sinsheim, Baden, Germany
spouse: Barbara Bueler (LKV6-HLM​)
father: Hans Jagli Schnebli Landis (KHDZ-CMM​)
mother: Verena Veronica Pfister (LKV6-CH7)

Note that the two spouses 'Barbara Bueler' are different people (dates note even close). The two mother's 'Elsbeth' may be the same person (7 years difference, and data are fuzzy, but might be the same).

So those may be useful starting points to help sort this area out.

I have to leave this for a bit; I hope this helps get things started, though.

Oh, also this one:

5. Hans Heinrich Landis (KHZD-875​)
christening: 18 July 1630, Hirzel, Zürich, Switzerland
death: 9 January 1636
father: Jacob Landis (KNQZ-S4D​)
mother: Barbara Schaeppi (KHMC-NXN)

Hmm, it looks like it might be possible to disambiguate the two Hans/Barbara Bueler pairs based on location -- one pair is in Germany, the other Switzerland. I can see why there is confusion, and I honestly do not know if we have enough data to sort it out.

I'll have to think about this.

I tried to look at the current state of the tree for this area and Geni won't even display it -- gives me an unspecified error. I've opened a bug report.

I thought it might be worth looking from the viewpoint of the proposed spouse of Hans Landis - Christine Landis

What exists on FamilySearch for her does not appear to be close to any of the "Hans" noted above, so I'm withdrawing the Curator note about Hans being married to this Christine, and will add what is on FamilySearch for her. Since none of the children there match the current child of this Hans Landis, I'm leaving that child connected to him (for the moment).

Adding the spouses & children of Christine got her connected in a different place, but there are still children born in Germany, France, and Switzerland -- and I don't know enough about the locations off the top of my head (or of the family history) to know if those locations are reasonable or if they are mis-connected. (Those issues are on FamilySearch, as well.)

Still a lot more to resolve...

Johannes Jacob Landis

Father: Hans Heinrich Landis b: ABT 1620
Mother: Barbara Bueler b: ABT 1620

Marriage 1 Ann Witmer b: NOV 1671
Children
John Landis , (i1717) b: 1696
Benjamin Landis , Rev. (i1717) b: 1697
Barbara Landis , (i1717) b: 1705
Anna Landis , (i1717) b: ABT 1708
Henry Landis , Rev. (i1717) b: 1710

Johann Wilhelm Stover, Sr

Married: Judith Shaeffer(Judith End Schnell) (3)

BUT...

ID: I2646
Name: Hans Heinrich Landis
Sex: M
Birth: ABT 1725
Note: Married Judith End Schnell, 1725~,, *
_GCID: A7D6AEB5-B981-412E-9AA3-EABF56FB36E4

AND

ID: I2645
Name: Judith End Schnell
Sex: F
Birth: ABT 1725
Note: Married Hans Heinrich Landis, 1725~,, * ^ Married William (Johann Wilhelm Stober) Stover, 1726.9.15 1800.1,, Bishop (i1754) ^
_GCID: D004E835-A23E-4E7F-9CC8-7CC46D0DAD61
Mother: Elizabeth Hirt b: ABT 1700
Marriage 1 Hans Heinrich Landis b: ABT 1725

ID: I552
Name: Ann Witmer
Sex: F
Birth: NOV 1671
Death: 1725
Note: Married Jacob Landis, 1667 1730,, (i1717) Buried Mellinger Mennonite Cem., Lancaster, PA

Children

ID: I1042
Name: John Landis , (i1717)
Sex: M
Birth: 1696
Death: 14 MAY 1756
Note: KAB BZH ER Married Margaretha Naas, 1707.4.19 1780.9.22

ID: I1061
Name: Benjamin Landis , Rev. (i1717)
Sex: M
Birth: 1697
Death: 1781
Note: TWB Married MARIA HERR WEBER Maria Herr Landis 1695 1787,, (i1717) Six children. Mennonite. IDL1 gives his date as 1700 rootsweb Married Ursul Hunsicker, 1716,, (i) ^ Buried Mellinger Mennonite Cem., Lancaster, PA

ID: I1434
Name: Barbara Landis , (i1717)
Sex: F
Birth: 1705
Death: 1782
Note: Born Zurich, Switzerland. Married Theodorus (Durst Yost) (Buchwalter) Buckwalter, 1701.7 1782.7.7,, (i1720) Buried Weaverland Mennonite Cem., East Earl Twp., Lancaster Co., PA

ID: I1549
Name: Anna Landis , (i1717)
Sex: F
Birth: ABT 1708
Note: IDL1 MH Married Christian Musser, 1690 1759,, ^ Married Henry Tinkey

ID: I1594
Name: Henry Landis , Rev. (i1717)
Sex: M
Birth: 1710
Death: NOV 1760
Note: ER Married Feronica Groff, 1706 1751~ Married Mary (Shelley) Kniesley, 1705~,, * ^ by 1754

1. Rudolf was born in 1623. He was a carpenter in Hirzel. He married Christine Mettler.
2. His father was Hans Landis a Baptist preacher. He was born in 1588 and was imprisoned and property confiscated. He married Elsbeth Erzinger of Eggersburg. They had at least these children: Caspar 1614, Hans 1615, Heinrich 1621, Margaretha married to Joseph Casson, and Rudolf from above.
3. Hans Landis was the son of Hans Landis born 1553. He was a preacher of the Anabaptists and was executed in 1614. He was married to Barbara Hochstrasser.
4. Hans was the son of Johannes Landis who was in Hirzel in 1547 and was married to Katharina Schinz.

Hi Cousin Jim. Is that the Good Info? Relatives of The Martyr? Hans Heinrich Landis, the Martyr ?

Dan Cornett, Google Maps has been invaluable in figuring out spatial relationships that make sense...

http://gameo.org/index.php?title=Landis,_Hans_(d._1614)

Hans Landis, a Swiss Brethren martyr, a preacher from Wadenswil in the canton of Zürich, Switzerland, was imprisoned in the Wellenberg in 1608. After a few months his fellow prisoners managed to release him from the chains, and all escaped. The others were soon captured, but Hans reached his native village. Another attempt was made to indoctrinate the Anabaptists to win them to the state church. On 21 January 1613 the first disputation of the government with them took place at Wadenswil. It was fruitless, as was also the second one, held on 23 February. Thereupon Hans Landis was again put in prison with five other Brethren. In early August negotiations were begun. Landis remained "stiff-necked." He refused to emigrate, saying that the earth was the Lord's; no one had authority to send them away out of the country; they were going to stay in the country.

On 25 August 1613 all six Brethren were condemned to galley service and were to be delivered to the French minister at Solothurn on the next day. Once more they were given permission to emigrate, with a week's time to decide. Three wavered and consented; the others encouraged Landis to be faithful. These three (Hans Landis, Galli Fuchs, and Stephan Zehender) were taken to Solothurn and lodged in prison to await transport. In three days they escaped.

In December 1613 Hans Landis, having returned to minister to his flock, was again seized. In prison he wrote to his church and his friends. He asked his wife for the Doms-büchli (the Confessio of the martyr Thomas von Imbroich). He was questioned on the rack. On 29 September 1614 he was sentenced to death and was beheaded the next day. This was the last Anabaptist execution in Zürich.

Hans Landis had a stately figure, "a long black beard mixed with gray and a manly voice." The executioner asked his pardon for what he was about to do; Landis replied that "he had already forgiven him; may God also forgive him; he knew very well that he must carry out the government's orders." When his wife and children came to the place of execution with "sorrowful crying and mourning, to bid him at the end an eternal good night," he asked that they leave him, so that "his good resolution and his good courage for the death facing him might not be moved or hindered." In the Ausbund, No. 132, is a song of 46 stanzas commemorating his death. It begins "Ich hab ein schön neu Lied gemacht."

Yes, the information I listed is the best know data from the Landis-Landes family Hirzel Chart, p. 26. The Landis-Landes family is a very active group in the genealogy of their family.
FYI - I started but did not finish a project on the martyrs:
https://www.geni.com/projects/Anabaptist-Martyrs/39993

Thank You for the Landis/Landes info. And for the Anabaptist Martyr project too.

As you know, I have a patrilineal Anabaptist Martyr. . .

"In 1639 there was also apprehended the Brother George Weber, an old man, from the county of Kiberg. The same was also taken to Zurich, into the convent Othenbach, and there fed on bread and water. Finally, through the hardships and long duration of his imprisonment, be became greatly impaired in his body, and fell into a severe sickness, after he had been confined there seventy weeks. Afterwards, through some of his fellow prisoners, who opened the prison, he was released, but never again recovered his property. As regards the homestead of this George Weber, the owners of the same must each annually pay therefor to the authorities five hundred guilders."

https://whodatcousin.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/genealogy-landis2.pdf

https://www.worldcat.org/title/landis-family-book/oclc/10684826&amp...

The document that Jim Wile attached to these profiles pretty much answers all questions about who is who, seems to me...

Here it is, in case it's not attached to the right profiles:

https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000072336891039

https://www.geni.com/projects/The-Hirzel-Chart-Earl-Landis-Landes-F...

I am using an idea from Ben to place a placard on all verifiable family members so we can easily tell which ones are in the document. I am also placing the appropriate page from the Hirzel chart as a source on the respective profiles. Finally, I have just created a project (it will have explanations, sources, etc. as I get the time to improve the project). The verifiable profiles can then be added to the project.

ergo my 8th great aunt (and coincidentally also number 8) Margaretha Sieber Weber

Cousin Jim, are you thinking what I think you're thinking . . .
and after more than 13,000 Herrs? . . .

Henry Souder Landes, the Historian
Henry Souder Landes, Sr

The people on the Hirzel Chart have now been identified and marked with a placard. The profiles with a Hirzel Chart placard now form a base for future work. The chart does not include all early Landis/Landes family members; therefore, other profiles should not be considered incorrect or misplaced.
If Geni had color coding of an area, I would recommend this area be shaded red. Anyone working here should always stop, think, and research before making changes. There are a lot of repetitive names and the use of "call names" on males. Generally, a male only has one "call name" combined with Hans/Johannes/Johan. If a profile is named Hans Heinrich Rudolf, it probably has taken the identity of two Landis males.
If you use family trees as a guide, please limit the use to ones that include many sources (excluding the use of other trees as sources).
The Lanid/Landes family have a strong group committed to the research and completion of their roots. Current Landis family research can be found in their reunion newsletters including issues and questions.
Finally, please approach this area with caution and have the time to work. Correct merges and changes will be a time consuming effort.
Jim

Thank you for all your hard work!!