R' Benjamin Katzenellenbogen - Wrong date of birth?

See page 34 G9.2 of Volume 1 of the third edition for more information about R' Benjamin.

R' Benjamin died in 1789 in Kotoschin, birth info not known.

It looks like there are a few generations missing between the now incorrect children of R' Benjamin and their grandfather R' Saul (died in 1761 in Krotoschin)

If you want me to list off the lineage, I would be happy to do so.

If you don't mind, Kevin.... I don't have the book to hand.

R' Benjamin had 2 listed siblings: Hanale, who married Eliezer Lazer Heilprin, and Yekel (Jacob), who married Yota (they both died in 1761). R' Benjamin had no issue.

Someone of the G9 generation was the father of:

G10. Meir Katzenellenbogen of Krotoschin, died about 1820.

G11. Saul Katzenellenbogen, a merchant, born in Krotoschin about 1795-1800, married Friederike, daughter of Jeremias.

G12.1. Moses Katzenellenbogen, born in Krotoschin about 1813.
G12.2. Gabriel Katzenellenbogen, born in Krotoschin about 1817.
G12.3. Mendel Katzenellenbogen, born in Krotoschin about 1819.
G12.4. Meir (Max) Katzenellenbogen of Krotoschin, 1822-1887, an agriculturer. He had 11 children (not entered here)
G12.5. Lotte, borne in Krotoschin about 1824.
G12.6. Hirsch Katzenellenbogen, born in Krotoschin about 1825.
G12.7. Jeremias Katzenellenbogen, born in Krotoschin about 1826.
G12.8. Bertha, born in Krotoschin about 1828.
G12.9. Roeschen, born in Krotoschin about 1831.
G12.10. Chaya, born in Krotoschin in 1832 and died there in 1833.
G12.11. Adolf (Itzig) Katzenellenbogen, born in Krotoschin on September 16, 1834 and died in Berlin in October 1903. He married a distant relative, Eva Katzenellenbogen.

Thanks very much Kevin.

So, R' Benjamin was of the G9 generation and had two siblings. (They were all the children of Saul G8).

G10 was a Meir, (not the Meir Max now in the tree), who was a son of someone G9, but not of Benjamin who had no children. It was either Yekel or another unknown brother.

Meir G10 had a son Saul G11, and he was the the father of the Meir Max G12.4 and Adolf G12.11, both currently connected as children of their second great uncle R' Benjamin. (The two sons Meir Max 12.4 and Hirsch 12.6 have been mixed into one).

Private User,

That is correct. Fix up the tree as you see it and post back that it's done. I will then go in and add the children of Meir (Max).

Kevin

I will do. The DOB of R' Benjamin is obviously wrong. What about the place of birth - Ivano-Frankivsk, Oblast d'Ivano-Frankivsk, Ukraine? Should I remove that too?

Samuel,

Neil doesn't give a DOB. He only gives a DOD, 1789 in Krotoschin.

Take out the place of birth as it is not known.

Kevin

Kevin Lawrence Hanit,

Should I detach Wife of R' Elijah (Eliezer Hirschel) Apter and Jacob Katzenellenbogen from their parents R' Samuel Katzenellenbogen and Reina Katzenellenbogen and move them as children of (R' Samuel Katzenellenbogen's grandson) R' Saul Katzenellenbogen? (And rename Wife of R' Elijah (Eliezer Hirschel) Apter to Hanale)?

Private User,

I need to be directed to the profile of R' Meir Katzenellenbogen, who married Hannah, the daughter of R' Abraham, son of R' Judah HaLevi Mintz. Hannah was R' Judah HaLevi Mintz's granddaughter.

Once I have this, I will go down the tree and make sure that everything is correct as listed by Dr. Rosenstein.

Kevin

Rabbi Meir Katzenellenbogen, Maharam of Padua

I'll get to it either tonight or tomorrow.

Kevin

Private User,

Lineage is now correct based on Volume 1 of the third edition.

I just have to finish adding in the rest of Meir (Max)'s descendants.

Kevin

I also have to add in the rest of Meir (Max)'s siblings.

Rabbi Meir Katzenellenbogen, Maharam of Padua is my 14th great grandfather -- and i thank everyone for working on his lineage. It is very much appreciated.

Samuel,

We need to leave the Apter line alone for now as I cannot find anything to lead me in the right direction to place it.

Kevin

Private User,

Everything is now in place.

Catherine Anna Manfredi Yronwode,

No problem at all.

Kevin Lawrence Hanit,

Thank you very much.

My thanks too :)

I understand that Vol II is out now too.

Hatte Blejer,

Volume two is out. He forgot you in the index of Volume 1.

Kevin

But I got a footnote :)

I know that.

Maybe under Hatte Rubenstein?

Hatte Blejer,

Not even under Rubenstein. The index is online on Avotaynu's website.

Kevin