Samuel Matthews, of Oyster River - MATHEWS FAMILY TREE

Capt. Samuel Mathews, of "Denbigh"

Samuel Mathews, Sr. MP

Gender:
Male

Birth:
between circa 1580 and 1600
England

Death:
between November 30, 1657 and March 1658 (53-82)
of, London, Middlesex, England

Immediate Family:

Son of unknown father of Samuel Mathews and unknown mother of Samuel Mathews
Husband of Frances Mathews and Sarah Mathews
Father of Gov. Samuel Mathews and Francis Mathews

Added by:
Holly Gaye Peterson on January 19, 2008

Managed by:
Steven Lloyd Gibbs and 43 others

Curated by:
Erica "the Disconnectrix" Howton

I am sure that Mary Ann Mathews 1584–1666 was his sister

Gov. Samuel Mathews and Samuel 'Tamsen' Matthews, of Oyster River are the same person

'Mary' Mathews should be moved as the SISTER of Capt. Samuel Mathews, of "Denbigh"

Dorothy, sadly, I cannot support your suggestion.

There is no known relationship between the families of Capt. Samuel Mathews of the VIRGINIA Colony and Samuel Mathews of Oyster River, in what was then the MAINE Colony.

Are you looking at a coincidence of last names?

Chilton Foliot, Berkshire, England

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Hinton-17
Biography

A poorly-sourced and unreliable Hinton genealogy conflates Sarah Hinton (second wife of Samuel Mathews, Sr.) with Frances (Greville)(West) Piersey (first wife of Samuel Mathews, Sr.), calling her "Mary Frances Hinton." This work falsely asserts that Samuel Mathews, Sr. was the "Military Governor of Virginia" per order of Charles I.[1] (In reality, it was Samuel Mathews, Jr. who became Governor of Virginia, several years after King Charles was beheaded.) The History of Parliament follows this error, stating that Sarah Hinton's husband Samuel Mathews was the Governor of Virginia. This has led others to the false conclusion that Sarah Hinton was the wife of Governor Samuel Mathews, Jr. Sarah was actually the second wife of Samuel Mathews, Sr., with no known children, although it is conceivable that Samuel's second son Francis was a son by Sarah.

"Worthy Captaine Mathews, an old Planter of above thirty years standing, one of the Counsell, and a most deserving Common-wealths-man... married the Daughter of Sir Tho. Hinton, and in word, keeps a good house, lives bravely, and a true lover of Virginia, he is worthy of much honour."[2]

Sources
1.↑ George W. Hinton, Hinton and Related Family History, 2nd ed. (1971), vol. 1, pp. 15-16.
2.↑ A Perfect Description of Virginia..." (London, 1649), quoted at this Mathews family website.

re: https://www.geni.com/discussions/166662?msg=1141165

Yes, this is what I believe to have been the case.

There is yet more detail about Samuel Mathews in the link you had sent me:

"Adventurers Of Purse And Person, Virginia, 1607-1624/5: Families G-P". 2017. Google Books. Accessed March 28 2017. https://books.google.ca/books?id=tcM40zgdAZgC&pg=PA640&lpg=...

Unfortunately this edition of the book does not show pages about Capt Mathews second wife.

Glad we have that one sorted!

Regarding "Mary Frances Hinton" married to Lt. Col. Samuel Mathews JR. Commonwealth Governor of Virginia

I got this hint yesterday from Ancestry
U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900

Name
Frances Mary Hinton

Gender
Female

Birth Year
1601

Spouse Name
Samuel Mathews

Spouse Birth Year
1592

Marriage Year
1629

Number Pages
1

Household Members

Name

Age

Frances Mary Hinton .....Erica please note the name is not spelled "Mary Frances Hinton"
Samuel Mathews

Govenor Capt Samuel Mathews/ Sr. Virginia planter

Birth 1 FEBRUARY 1583 • Bristol, Somerset, England

Death 13 MAR 1660 • Denbeigh, Warwick, Virginia, United States

His parents were

Tobias I "Tobie" Matthew Sir, Vicar of Bishopwearmouth, Archbishop York

Birth JUN 1546 • Bristol, Somerset, England

Death 29 MAR 1628 • Cawood, Yorkshire, England

and mother was

Frances Barlow

Birth 1550 • Pembroke, Pembrokeshire, Wales

Death 10 MAY 1629 • Briston, Gloucestershire, England

Just found this http://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/hinton/783/

Re: Mary Frances Hinton or Frances Greville

By genealogy.com user June 15, 2000 at 10:08:26

In reply to: Re: Mary Frances Hinton or Frances Greville
Linda Lawhon 6/14/00

Linda:

Thank you so very much. Your information is just what I was looking for. I think it clears up a lot questions, the primary being; who is Frances Greville? Up till now, she was a mystery woman with no background or family. Since there seemed to be nothing known about her, I became suspecious - wondering if we might be confusing Frances Hinton with a Frances (Hinton) Greville, or some other such scenario.

Have you seen an article published on the Internet by Jerry Matthews Palmer? I'm attaching small portions of it here because it is pertenent to this discussion. It gives about as much information about Samuel Matthews as is known about him. The full article can be found at http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/p/a/l/jerry-M-Palmer/GENE5-000... . I hope this helps to settle the issue once and for all. Below is a couple of exerpts from this article:

"The "daughter of Sir Thomas Hinton" was not Samuel Mathews first wife. He had previously been married to the widow of Cape Merchant, Abraham Peirsey, and he was her third husband. Frances Grevill was one of four women who left Bristol aboard the ship, Supply, in September, 1620 and who first married Captain Nathaniel West, brother to the third Lord Delaware, Governor of Virginia.

West died at some date between April 1623 and February 1623/4, being listed in the 1623 census and absent from that of '24, and in the latter year, Frances was living on Virginia Company land at Elizabeth City with her brother-in-law, Francis West. At some time thereafter, Frances Grevill West married Abraham Peirsey, a man of considerable substance who, in addition to a residence at Jamestown, had bought the 1000 acre "Flowerdew Hundred" on the south bank of the James, from Sir George Yeardley. When Peirsey died in January 1627/8, he apparently "left the best estate ever known in Virginia," (12) thus making Frances Grevill West Peirsey a still young and second time widow. That she was by now somewhat used was amply compensated for in the eyes of any colonist by the value of her legacies. Frances was executrix of Peirsey's will and she was charged "to make saile of all the estate as aforesaid to the profit it can be sould for." (13) This she was in no hurry to do, possibly because she was more concerned with her marriage to Samuel Mathews who apparently hooked her very soon after her former husband's demise. The Peirsey estate was still waiting to be settled when she died in 1633... ."

Later in the article he gives some fascinating archaeological evidence:

"Archaeological Record

He had previously been an equally good King's man, and the excavated relics suggest that he appreciated the good things of life. Fragments of dozens of Mathews' square glass wine bottles were found, for example; other artifacts revealed that he owned jewelry set with Persian lapis lazule, spurs and swords with hilts washed with gold and encrusted with silver, books bound with ornamental brass clasps, and a silver saucepan whose lid was engraved with the initials of Mathews and his second wife," M/"S" "S", and stamped with the London date letter for 1638.

This last find was of considerable importance since it identified the "daughter of Sir Thomas Hinton" mentioned earlier as S. Hinton rather than Frances Hinton, as genealogists had mistakenly supposed, having confused her with Mathews' first wife, Frances Grevill.

It is possible that the saucepan was a wedding present and if so, it would follow that Samuel Mathews married Sarah Hinton in 1638 in England. This would explain the absence of any record of the marriage in Virginia... ."

Now! As to your question about the descendants of Sir Thomas Hinton. There is a posting on this GenForum board by Carol (King) Kelley, dated December 04, 1998. She gives the following as his children and while I can't vouch for her informaiton, she documents it as noted below:

"Thomas Hinton (Sir), b. 1574, m. Catherine Palmer, b. 1580. He had two other wives. Children of Thomas and Cahterine are:

Anthony Hinton, b. 1596, m. Mary Gresham
Catherine Hinton, b. 1598
Thomas Hinton, b. 1600, m. Elizabeth Farrar
Mary Frances Hinton, m. Samuel Matthews (Governor of Virginia)
William Hinton, m. Mary Popham
Francis Hinton, b. 1607
George Hinton, b. 1607
Mary Hinton

Sources: Hintons and Related Families 929.273h5971?

Children per above and Extracted IGI records

Thomas Hinton wills of Cecil County, Maryland."

It might be worth your trying to find her post.

I also received an email message some time ago from a man named Mike Walker. He has the following:

"Sir Thomas Hinton, b. 1574, d. 1635

He was married to Cahterine Palmer in 1595. Catherine died in 1609. They had the following children:

Anthony
William
George
Mary
Sir John, MD

He was married to Mary Throckmorton in 1615. She died in 1616. He was married to Mary Tryon on 1622. Mary died in 1630."

He has a lot more information. You might try contacting him at "Mike Walker" .

I Hope this helps.

Both those ancestry hints are incorrect.

Please review the Geni Master Profiles, they are, I believe, currently more accurate.

I have pointed out before that Samuel, the son of the Archbishop of York, died unmarried at the age of 18. The source is the best there is: his diary.

We do not know who the parents were of Capt Samuel Mathews.

The given name of the 2nd wife of Capt Samuel Mathews was not noted the biographer for his father, Sir Thomas Hinton, and he did not leave a will.

The "Frances (or Francis)" middle name comes from a conflation of Capt Mathew's 1st and 2nd wives. Middle names are unusual at this date, so that should be a red flag that someone somewhere is fudging it.

Her name was speculated to have been Mary. But the recent archeological evidence indicates it was Sarah, because her initial is on the silverware excavated.

I suppose we could make an argument that that's not good enough for proof, but her name "certainly" was not Frances in any way, shape or form.

Are you reading the profile notes? It makes me wonder why we bothered if they are not read. :(

In regards to your links in https://www.geni.com/discussions/166662?msg=1141178 most of that was mentioned in the profiles for the people indicated, I believe.

There is an error.

""Thomas Hinton (Sir), b. 1574, m. Catherine Palmer, b. 1580. He had two other wives. .."

That is not the case according to his History of Parliament biographer. He married (1) Catherine Palmer (2) 1 Oct. 1622, Mary (bur. 18 Apr. 1632),5 da. of Peter Tryon, merchant of London,6 wid. of Sir Sebastian Harvey, Ironmonger and alderman of Lime Street, London.

No issue by 2nd wife.

Lady Mary died 1632, Sir William died 1635. It is unlikely he married in the intervening three years, or that would have been noted in his estate papers, which, presumably, the biographer was aware of.

"inquisition into his estate was not taken until 1639.32

32. C142/580/95.

http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1604-1629/member/hi...

re: 'He was married to Mary Throckmorton in 1615. She died in 1616."

It is possible however that Sir William married Mary Throckmorton, as it does not interfere with his known marriage dates:

m. (1) 1595 (with £1,000),3 Catherine (bur. 11 Oct. 1609),
m . (2) Mary in 1622

I would like to see more notes on that. Seems strange as Throckmorton was a Catholic family.